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High Fat Paleo and pounding heart

by 0 · May 10, 2014 at 04:11 AM

Every time I try Paleo, I always have the same problem. I eat healthy fats, but eating the fat makes my heart pound and I mean pound. Like to the point where that's all you can focus on. This problem has happened for years, which is why I can't stay on Paleo. So when I see somebody eat a grass fed burger on Almond butter bread with avocado piled on top, I'm like that looks Delicious and if I ate that I would be full...but I would have so much trouble of just not feeling well. Has anybody else had that issue? I really want to eat that way, but I just can't. I've been to doctors, and nobody can tell me why my heart pounds from eating a lot of fat.

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0 · May 10, 2014 at 01:49 AM

Two thumbs up to Kevin 38's reply to mvenini1

Listen carefully mevenini11: drinking too much water CAUSES low sodium. So if low carbs cause low sodium, and you think you are fixing things by drinking lots of water, in reality you are making the low sodium even worse.

Here is how bad this can get. I had some issue - to be determined - that was causing enormous thirst and sense of dehydration after exercise. I drank a whole liter of water every hour. This dilutes your sodium levels, and at the time mine were already low. Because the body values sodium levels MORE than it values hydration, all of this water would get urinated out quickly, which left me dehydrated. I drank water every hour all night long and could never satisfy my hydration! What I should have done is gone to an emergency room and that would have made clear my sodium was low and helped me to understand that drinking too much water was making it worse. I had a miserable month in low electrolyte hell because I failed to understand these issues.

With all due respect, your posts show that you do not understand the dynamics of hydration or electrolytes well enough to fix an electrolyte problem, if you have one.

What I would suggest is that you go buy Volek and Phinneys "The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living" and turn to page 150 and read about the research on electrolytes on low carb. They recommend five grams of sodium per day (about 2.5 teaspoons of celtic sea salt) and I found that to be too high for myself.

Currently I am taking a very very low amount of sodium and potassium in all of my drinking water, around 1/16 teaspoon of celtic sea salt along with a little less of potassium chloride, in 12 to 16 ounces of water. I am coming in at a little under 2.5 grams of sodium per day, and by keeping the electrolytes at a very low level in the drinking water, I automatically adjust the total day's dose for days when I need to drink a lot of fluid.

I'm not recommending any specific dose to you. You have to learn what works for your body. Too much sodium is just as dangerous as too little sodium!!

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0 · May 09, 2014 at 02:38 PM

Thank you all for your comments I really appreicate them.

Definilty not dehydrated, drink ton a water each day.

The high carb Paleo sounds more my speed. I didn't know they had that. Do you know where to find recipes for higher carb Paleo? My searches bring up a ton of recipies with a ton of almond flour or something to that effect which makes it very high fat.

I do think some of you are right about perhaps it could be a lack of nutrients, because I've had this issue for years, and sometimes durign the year it will go away for a month and I'll feel fine. Then it will come back.

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40 · May 08, 2014 at 10:11 PM

Have you tried paleo with lower fat and higher carbs? So many people mistakenly believe a paleo diet is a high fat/low carb one. That is one version, another is as above. I feel more energetic, think more clearly, and have better workouts with lower fat (around 30gm/day), higher carb (150-200gm/day) paleo. Not too different than a vegetarian diet plus animal protein (minus the grains/legumes), big mounds of all kinds of cooked veggies and tubers with a little butter, walnut oil or olive oil, throughout the day, cup of bone broth and 1-3 fruits a day, plus about 3-4 oz. of lean meat, fish, shellfish or eggs with each meal (protein of 40-60gm/day), and a serving of liver and heart once a week. This too, is paleo eating.

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7944 · May 08, 2014 at 09:55 PM

My heart pounds like that when I'm dehydrated.

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16813 · May 08, 2014 at 06:35 AM

I think the problem isn't eating too much fat, but rather, eating too little carbs. This signals cortisol, which in turn, signals gluconeogenesis. You should eat at least 50g of carbs, or better yet around 100-150g.

Also, how are you doing with salt? Are you restricting it? If you go VLC (very low carb), you absolutely should not restrict salt.

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0 · May 08, 2014 at 06:00 AM

It would be really useful if the next time you develop the heart pounding to go get a basic metabolic panel that includes all electrolytes. LABCORP knows this as a CHEM8 "Basic Metabolic Panel". What you can do is ask your doctor to give you a filled out lab form, and explain to him you will go for the test when you develop the symptom.

My money says you have a low sodium, and low sodium in turn can cause your intracellular potassium to deplete. The potassium measured by the blood panel unfortunately only gets potassium outside the cell. In any case, it sounds like some kind of electrolyte problem.

I have some similar issue with electrolytes on low carb, and it is destroying me. It practically has me disabled, and supplementing sodium isn't addressing the issue. I'm trying to increase my carbs now in an attempt to get back to some kind of normality.

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0 · May 08, 2014 at 05:37 AM

Foods high in fat, if your overeat, etc., can cause these symptom of irregular heartbeat, racing, flutters, pounding, etc.

These may also be the symptoms of anxiety

Try to co-relate this with other following symptoms like:

1. Sweating

2. Have feeling like you have to force yourself to breath

3. Increased heart rate

4. chest pressure, or shooting pains in the chest

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982 · May 07, 2014 at 09:25 PM

Throw everything you eat for the week into cronometer.com and check the nutrients. Perhaps you're low on electrolytes resulting in palpitations. It's easy to be low on Calcium. Also easy to be low on Magnesium. If you're not eating much fruit / veg, it's easy to be low on Potassium. If you're not adding much salt, you're low on Sodium. If you're eating a calorie restricted diet, you might feel worse. If you're not drinking enough water, or too much water, this will feel worse. How's your thyroid intake of iodine / selenium?

It also depends on how much glucose you're getting and how well you're adapted to the diet. Are you getting enough glucose through carbs? Are you making it from protein through gluconeogenesis? Are you trying to make it right off the glycerol backbone on fat? (The last two might take weeks - months of daily consistent high fat dieting for metabolic adaptation.)

For breakfast, I did a 1/2lb of shrimp in coconut oil + evoo, with a few sheets of nori, a large grip of asparagus cooked in garlic + butter + scallions, and a large plate of grassfed gouda+aged grassfed cheddar over 1/2 a sliced up chicken breast + organic basil red sauce + a zucchini + a beefsteak tomato + spinach in evoo. Then I threw some vitamin D3 (in MCT oil) and a couple hundred mg of Mg chelated with glycine on top. A burger sounds kind of small to me.

I felt pretty bad my first few attempts at HFLC when I approached it at a caloric deficit without adequate electrolytes and without metabolic adaptation. Palpitations / weak muscles / anxiety.

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15 · May 07, 2014 at 09:07 PM

I don't know what the heart pounding is about, but high fat paleo isn't for everyone. So people do better on high carb paleo.

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