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I feel crap

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Updated October 23, 2014 at 4:18 AM
Created January 04, 2014 at 11:36 PM

I've been eating paleo for over a year. I lost a couple of kilos and seem to have plateaued at 59kgs even though I could visibly do with losing a few more. I would never go back to eating a SAD diet because my psoriasis and also some visible inflammation I had (my fingers would turn bright red and swell up a couple of hours after a meal) have cleared up, so I know I'm healthier. But I just feel so sore and lethargic all the time. I exercise 3-4 times a week only for half an hour, mainly do body weight exercises and don't over work the same area. Exercise-wise I should be recovering more quickly. I have to nap every day and feel sore all the time. I'm starting to question paleo but at the same time I could never go back. And I now have a (possibly warranted) fear of fruit due to fructose (Thank you Luswig).

Anyone else have a similar experience, what other options are there? I'm ready to say 'screw it all'.

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144 · January 07, 2014 at 8:25 PM

yeah only 2 kg to goal though. will try more carb. perhaps that will lower overall daily calories.

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144 · January 07, 2014 at 8:23 PM

yep i think i agree.

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41442 · January 07, 2014 at 2:49 PM

Carbs don't make you fat. Excess calories do.

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41442 · January 07, 2014 at 2:47 PM

Feeling like crap is not normal and shouldn't be excused.

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26182 · January 07, 2014 at 12:57 PM

Most of that will be fiber (another Reason for your fatigue). Those carbs are not available extremely bio-available for gycogen replenishment

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144 · January 07, 2014 at 11:24 AM

nah been over a year

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144 · January 07, 2014 at 11:24 AM

from a lot of low carb veg.

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4393 · January 06, 2014 at 4:28 AM

hi Milfy, see above edit, i tried to address your comment as best i could...i'm sure books have been written on the topic, & related topics

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4393 · January 06, 2014 at 4:25 AM

"safe starches"...from here "safe starches, such as white rice, potatoes, sweet potatoes, and taro"

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4393 · January 06, 2014 at 4:23 AM

"safe starches"...from here "The concept of “safe starches” has nothing to do with their glucose content. “Safe starch” is a term of our invention and refers to any starchy food which, after normal cooking, lacks toxins, chiefly protein toxins. We do not consider glucose to be a toxin, though it may become toxic in hyperglycemia"

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519 · January 05, 2014 at 7:45 PM

Ya that doesn't always work... I eat lots of carbs and keep cutting body fat. Don't believe the myth that high fat low carb yields cutting the last few lbs.

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26182 · January 05, 2014 at 7:40 PM

How do you get to 60g of carbs with one piece of fruit?

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519 · January 05, 2014 at 12:40 PM

Potatoes, sweet potatoes, plantaon

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0 · January 05, 2014 at 9:29 AM

Which ones are "safe starches"? Thanks!

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2626 · January 05, 2014 at 6:36 AM

It's not that simple. Unless you're constantly in ketosis, your body wants to use glycogen for some things, and fat isn't an ideal substitute.

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144 · January 05, 2014 at 5:45 AM

I'm trying to lose the last few kgs though, hence being lowish carb. Trying to get my body to utilise it's fat stores.

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144 · January 05, 2014 at 5:44 AM

But shouldn't our bodies be able to seamlessly switch to our fat stores when our glycogen is depleted? I still have a few kilos to go... on this basis I'm reluctant to increase my carbs because I want my body to utilise it's fat stores.

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144 · January 05, 2014 at 5:12 AM

no, not at all. one piece of fruit per day max is as much sugar as i have.

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2626 · January 05, 2014 at 3:45 AM

Please edit your question and tell us what you're eating. Your symptoms sound very much like someone who isn't eating enough carbs and isn't doing well on a low-carb diet (same thing happened to me for a few months, and cost me a lot of lean body mass).

Dr. Lustig is more of a crusader than a scientist and his evidence is heavily cherry-picked. And even he says that fruit is healthy when you eat it in moderation.

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519 · January 05, 2014 at 1:45 AM

If you exercise that much you need more carbs... Sweet potatoes and a little butter is amazing. If you are not replenishing your glycogen you will without q doubt be sore

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144 · January 05, 2014 at 1:41 AM

Hi Superdad I will look at Robb's podcast, thanks for the tip. I'm fairly low carb. I stay around 60g without really trying...just without the sugar and grains that's basically where I end up (not a big potato eater). I think my protein is ok.

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5 · January 07, 2014 at 9:08 PM

EAT THE FRUIT. Seriously, carbs are not the devil. Also yams.

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58 · January 07, 2014 at 9:00 PM

If the other suggestions don't help, this could be due to a hormonal imbalance. Have you had your levels checked lately?

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0 · January 06, 2014 at 6:46 AM

sounds like you're just going through the pains of transitioning still. Keep at it :)

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144 · January 07, 2014 at 11:24 AM

nah been over a year

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41442 · January 07, 2014 at 2:47 PM

Feeling like crap is not normal and shouldn't be excused.

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0 · January 05, 2014 at 2:53 PM

I read this by another poster on here…maybe this is why?…..

Well, if it is not only lean proteins you're eating, you can rule out rabbit starvation.

When you eat large amounts of protein at once and in the absence of sufficient carbohydrates it can lead to a strong insulin spike. However, without the sugars (from the carbs) in your blood stream for the insulin to work on, you'll get rebound hypoglycemia, which will lead to cravings for more food- specifically, carbohydrate.

This problem can be relieved by either eating smaller amounts of protein spaced out into frequent meals, or only eating large quantities of protein with some accompanying carbohydrate.

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4393 · January 05, 2014 at 5:08 AM

"muscle glycogen depletion is associated with fatigue and injury" Ref

could be that you are not fully repleting (if that's a word) your muscle glycogen stores between workouts.

looking at some of your other Q's, may be you need to try & force yourself to eat some 'safe starches'. & they may be best 'taken' around your workouts, pre &/or post, whatever works for you.

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in an attempt to respond to your comment below Milfy, as AG says, "it's not that simple...",

some thoughts...if you are losing weight, you will (almost) definitely be losing muscle (protein) as well, that in itself will make you feel a bit 'crap'.

if you don't want to 'carb-up', keep your workouts aerobic, then your muscles 'should' prefer fatty acids as fuel, as you switch to anaerobic exercise, your muscles 'want' to switch from fat-based to carbohydrate-based fuels (#1). This of course assumes this 'ability' is working okay in you & your muscles are switching between fatty acids & glucose for fuel just fine.

& if you are low carb, another process that needs to be in good order for you is Gluconeogenesis, to convert protein (& to a lesser extent fatty acids) to glucose, both to meet any immediate glucose requirements (ie. maintain blood sugar level & fuel for the brain which always needs some glucose) as well as to allow liver & muscle glycogen to be restored. & if you are not getting enough protein in your diet, then it will come from your muscles (not quite as simple as that...but hopefully you get the rough picture)

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0 · January 05, 2014 at 9:29 AM

Which ones are "safe starches"? Thanks!

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144 · January 05, 2014 at 5:44 AM

But shouldn't our bodies be able to seamlessly switch to our fat stores when our glycogen is depleted? I still have a few kilos to go... on this basis I'm reluctant to increase my carbs because I want my body to utilise it's fat stores.

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26182 · January 05, 2014 at 2:58 AM

are you still bing eating sugar?

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144 · January 05, 2014 at 5:12 AM

no, not at all. one piece of fruit per day max is as much sugar as i have.

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519 · January 05, 2014 at 1:09 AM

umm eat some carbs... Try 100 grams and adjust from there.

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519 · January 05, 2014 at 7:45 PM

Ya that doesn't always work... I eat lots of carbs and keep cutting body fat. Don't believe the myth that high fat low carb yields cutting the last few lbs.

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144 · January 05, 2014 at 5:45 AM

I'm trying to lose the last few kgs though, hence being lowish carb. Trying to get my body to utilise it's fat stores.

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915 · January 05, 2014 at 12:08 AM

If you are struggling to recover @milfy, i recall a Robb wolf podcast where a listener said he was struggling to recover from workouts. Robb's answer was to get checked for hemochromatosis as a high number of his clients with the same symptoms tested positive for it. Just a thought. Aside from that What are your ratios like... Are you very low carb? are you getting enough protein?

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144 · January 05, 2014 at 1:41 AM

Hi Superdad I will look at Robb's podcast, thanks for the tip. I'm fairly low carb. I stay around 60g without really trying...just without the sugar and grains that's basically where I end up (not a big potato eater). I think my protein is ok.

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144 · January 04, 2014 at 11:44 PM

Continued... I'm starting to wonder if I should try the Dolce Diet type approach. He's big on snacks. I don't snack.

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