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If Paleo is meant to be ultimate nutrition, then why so many supplements?

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I am fairly sure cavemen did not have supplements. I have been wondering about this lately, and I am still not sure how I feel about supplementing. According to the Robb Wolf podcasts I have been listening to, he often says that when you look at the nutrients of a Paleo lifestyle, the minerals and vitamins we get look like we are living off multivitamins...if this is the case then why are people using so many supplements to get all the nutrients and minerals we should really be getting from whole food? I don't understand how people can preach Paleo and still be taking supplements... I understand vitamin d due to our sedentary, in door lifestyles, and I understand omega 3, due to the production of foods etc...but I can't understand why in order to be feeling "ok" we have to supplement with so many other things like multivitamins, magnesium, potassium, calcium, iodine, etc (and the list goes on) when ultimately, this should all be a part of the foods you are eating, no?? Not to mention, they are an expensive addition to your diet!!

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788 · September 07, 2013 at 1:28 AM

Chris, I highly recommend checking out your local Asian/Vietnamese market. I wasn't buying seafood either as whole foods charged upwards of $10 per pound. When I checked the Asian market close to me, I found they had real wild fish at anywhere between $3-$6 per pound. They will clean and scale it for you and you are set.

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2954 · March 06, 2013 at 2:49 AM

@zombie; our municipal water doesn't provide magnesium, and in turn, the added fluoride depletes magnesium from our body! It's like they're trying to make us sick on purpose ;-)

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8953 · June 01, 2012 at 6:37 PM

To be honest though : *"Many of them are anti-oxidant from dozens of fruit extracts. Imagine eating all that sugar to get the equivalent dose!? Yikes!"* is really a bit wacko.

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1200 · April 18, 2012 at 5:21 PM

He's recommending 30grams of BCAA before a fasted workout. That's a lot. I've only been taking 8g and getting results. To each their own...

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1200 · April 18, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Everything is flawed. Nothing is perfect. There is no perfect diet nor is there a perfect supplement or any perfect food. We each find our own solution within the paleosphere that works for us.

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543 · April 18, 2012 at 4:50 PM

That's how much I spend on food each month! :o

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20411 · April 18, 2012 at 4:48 PM

Paleo does not require supplements. Google Dr. Wahls to see how she switched from pills to food to improve her MS. That said, she eats a freaking large amount of veggies (9 cups/day).

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444 · April 18, 2012 at 4:47 PM

I don't know if it's so much that Paleo is flawed as it is that paleo fanaticism is flawed. If your interpretation of Paleo is to get most of your nutrition from meat & fish, fruit & veg, while staying away from toxic grains and industrial oils, you're in a good place. If your interpretation is to live in a cave and stalk elk in your underwear, you might be overenthusiastic to your own detriment.

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444 · April 18, 2012 at 4:26 PM

The idea of not consuming things because they have only been around for 10,000 years is flawed. It is a good starting point. It is good to be suspicious of neolithic foods, just as it is good to be suspicious of politicians, journalists, and bloggers. But categorically removing items from the possibility of being beneficial because they are relatively new is misguided. It is possible that 90% of health gains in this movement are simply from not eating toxic grains. Everything after that is pretty much up for grabs imo.

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1489 · April 18, 2012 at 3:47 PM

and i know that supplements have benefits..but not all are good for you...and not all are able to absorbed or used when consumed in supplement form...and things like iron can cause constipation and the likes as it irritates the gut ... and things like dairy and yogurt, yes they may have insulin spiking properties, but they also have other benefits like probiotics in them, and calcium etc

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1489 · April 18, 2012 at 3:44 PM

Well it's more like how can you put down the production and agriculture of wheat and corn and soy etc and things like yoghurt and dairy that are results from modern technology and say we shouldn't consume it because it's only been around for 10000 years, but modern medicine supplementation is a-okay?

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8953 · April 18, 2012 at 3:36 PM

If the supplements work, why not :) I just feel more comfortable with food than with supplements, so I try to get as much as possible without swallowing pills.

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1794 · April 18, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Yeah, the not sarcastic, defensive one. :)

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6229 · April 18, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Because some of us have found out that real food doesn't produce optimum health for the body and mind - it might go about 80% of the way, but some want peak performance! I would say test one supplement at at time and see if you look, perform, and the biomarker improves. We are also trying to compensate for 10000 years of epigenetic changes that might have left us at a disadvantage. Again this is an n=1 deal.

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19120 · April 18, 2012 at 3:19 PM

... you mean the one I had already upvoted? ;-)

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1794 · April 18, 2012 at 3:14 PM

Then you can go look at my more appropriate reply.

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1200 · April 18, 2012 at 3:13 PM

I take a very tiny amount of fucoxathin (about 1/6th the recommended dose or 1 out of the 6 pills per day). It's actually an anti-oxidant and protective against certain types of cancer.

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1040 · April 18, 2012 at 2:58 PM

I would add that many of us are using municipal water which may not have the minerals of a stream. Things like chlorine and fluoride may also tax the body.

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19120 · April 18, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Comments on answers are used to ... comment on answers. I have not replied directly to the questions posed, and others have done well. I get that you may have been trying to be illustrative or funny, but you can't assume that others (esp. the poser of the question) will understand that.

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11111 · April 18, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Agree +1 soil depletion is a primary factor for me, plus polluted water & air, lack of real fresh veggie & fruits (most are nutritionally dead from sitting around for weeks after being picked.

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1794 · April 18, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Neither does your reply.

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19120 · April 18, 2012 at 2:33 PM

I'm curious about why if you are lean an toned you are still talking fucoxathin? Curious if there are other benefits to it besides thermogenic ones.

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5135 · April 18, 2012 at 2:32 PM

I don't know, sometimes I definitely feel my blood pressure rising.

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19120 · April 18, 2012 at 2:30 PM

*looking good naked* ... yup, that's actually why I'm using BCAAs. ;-D However, from day 1 I planned a 2-3 month course at most. The stuff works, but it's expensive.

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19120 · April 18, 2012 at 2:28 PM

This answer doesn't answer the question nor further discussion.

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5135 · April 18, 2012 at 2:17 PM

I just ran across this article at Mark's Daily Apple from the other day that has some info on BCAAs: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/dear-mark-vegetarian-fed-bcaas-and-bland-grass-fed-beef/#more-28748

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1794 · April 18, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Thanks Denis, I'll give that a shot!

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5135 · April 18, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Well, I'm still experimenting with them. They definitely cut down on post-workout muscle fatigue. Supposedly they help stop your body from cannibalizing your muscles if you lift without any food in your stomach. I haven't noticed any amazing strength gains. I'm still not sure if I'll keep with it after this first tub I bought is gone. More serious lifters than I love them.

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15003 · April 18, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Right, and that's the point. We tinker with supplements because we can ;).

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1200 · April 18, 2012 at 1:41 PM

What does of BCAAs do you take when working out fasted? What kind of results did you get?

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1200 · April 18, 2012 at 1:39 PM

BCAAs are truly the miracle aminos for building muscle. I lifted heavy weights for 2 years and got nothing...except for an expensive hernia repair. When I started taking BCAAs a few months ago my muscles started sprouting like chia seeds all over my body. I love it!

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1200 · April 18, 2012 at 1:38 PM

BCAAs are truly the miracle aminos for building muscle. I lifted heavy weights for 2 years and got nothing...except for an expensive hernia repair. When I started taking BCAAs a few months ago before my muscles started sprouting like chia seeds all over my body. I love it!

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41361 · April 18, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Why supplements? Because this is PaleoHACKS and people love to tweak their diet to fit their neuroses. :)

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15400 · April 18, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Thanks for your comment. What kind of supplements do you get?

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8953 · April 18, 2012 at 12:57 PM

I apparently didn't tolerate all my old supplements either. I now only supplement fat-solubles (if possible from thorne that puts them in MCT), or buy pure powder at pharmacies (eg aspirin, nicotinamidum, epsom salt, ...).

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1489 · April 18, 2012 at 12:02 PM

I don't want to come across as an orthodox Paleo, all-or-nothing, kind of person, I am really intrigued as to why we can't just get all these minerals from whole foods and natural resources!!

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1489 · April 18, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Sorry, I don't mean to be an all or nothing kind of person. I am really interested to find out why we can't be sourcing these minerals from our food sources...

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1489 · April 18, 2012 at 11:58 AM

I should add, I was thinking about it when I was reading this - http://paleohacks.com/questions/112854/fasted-workouts-and-muscle-shaking#axzz1sNNTwc9X and someone suggested taking BCAA before a workout if you are going to workout in fasted state. But obviously, if you don't feel good working out fasted, then you shouldn't. Shouldn't you just eat food and do your workout rather than supplementing? Obviously your body can't deal with the exercise without the energy?

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2890 · April 18, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Hi mzrdnan,

I think that many folks who follow ancestral diets don't take many, if any, supplements. They find that their bodies are healed enough to get the proper nutrition they require through their awesome food.

Some folks, though, come to Paleo with decades of SAD eating, or with a system that is metabolically deranged (god I love that term) or compromised in some way. Folks who are feeling in great health generally do not look to make dietary changes, so Paleo gets quite a few who are hurting when they begin. These folks need extra nutrition support. Their digestive system may not be ready to assimilate nutrition fully from the foods they eat. They may need a boost from supplements.

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5132 · April 18, 2012 at 2:32 PM

The better answer is as follows:

(1) The soil which nurtures our vegetables has been depleted via industrial and repeat farming. Hence, they do not have the same mineral and vitamin levels as they once did. Further, commercial interests, rather than natural selection, have shaped farming practices. Most fruits have been bred for sweetness, thus increasing fructose load, while "undesirable tastes" like bitterness and sourness have been bred out. Even sweet potatoes are much more sweeter today than they were eons ago. This is an old Paleo standby, in fact, that we're not eating the same thang that we used to eat.

(2) Our environment has changed drastically since our caveman days, sheilding us from sunlight, exposing us to industrial pollution and toxins, and making our immediate environemnt unduly antiseptic with antibacterial cleaning agents. Placed out of our ancestral milieu, we need to supplement to mitigate the effects of these polluting agents.

(2) More importantly, many of us are more often than not have damaged immune systems in the form of gut permeability, immune dysregulation, dysbiosis, etc. The rate of such conditions is alarming: only 1/3 of us are non-obese and non-overweight; about 1/2 of us are diabetic or prediabetic and thus insulin resistant to some degree; about 1/2 of us are thought to suffer from IBS, and alarmingly growing number from IBD; many have real or crypto thyroid conditions which impact metabolism but is not acknowledged by modern medicine; and many of us have autoimmune conditions. More often than not, many of us suffer from such diasesed states but don't know about it. Paleo dieters, in fact, are more sensitive to their wellness, so they're probably more aware of their affliction than the general population.

Once afflicted with such conditions, you simply do not absorb micronutrients well, even though you may be eating a healthy Paleo diet to the tee. So you still have to supplement, since the issue is your body's absorption, not that you're following a faulty diet. In fact, no diet is better than Paleo in making micronutrients bioavailable, but the problem is in us, the state of our immune system and gut health, which prevents us from absorbing what's purportedly so nourishing.


Those seem to be the proper arguments. That doesn't mean I necessarily subscribe to these but it would be better to advance them on behalf of Paleo than to take untenable positions: e.g., there is no need to supplement, Paleo dieters in fact do not supplement.

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2954 · March 06, 2013 at 2:49 AM

@zombie; our municipal water doesn't provide magnesium, and in turn, the added fluoride depletes magnesium from our body! It's like they're trying to make us sick on purpose ;-)

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1040 · April 18, 2012 at 2:58 PM

I would add that many of us are using municipal water which may not have the minerals of a stream. Things like chlorine and fluoride may also tax the body.

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11111 · April 18, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Agree +1 soil depletion is a primary factor for me, plus polluted water & air, lack of real fresh veggie & fruits (most are nutritionally dead from sitting around for weeks after being picked.

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1200 · April 18, 2012 at 1:34 PM

I spend around $150-$200 a month on supplements. Many of them are anti-oxidant from dozens of fruit extracts. Imagine eating all that sugar to get the equivalent dose!? Yikes! Additionally I take CoQ10, S.O.D., glutathione, astaxanthin, fucoxathin, resveratrol, Omega 3s, hawthorne, grape seed extract, magnesium, relora, BCAAs + Sustamine (for weight lifting), polycosanol, vitamin K2-MK7, vitamin D, sytrinol, pycnogenol, choline, inisitol, trace minerals, and several others things including a multivitamin high in zinc and copper for my lazy thyroid.

I take these because:

  1. Until recently, I had a horrible diet that damaged my body and metabolism. I had high blood pressure, stress, horrible cholesterol and a low functioning thyroid. Although the paleo diet turned my body from flabby to lean and toned - some of the the metabolic damage is irreversible. For example, My HDL NEVER, EVER, NO MATTER WHAT climbs above 30. Therefore, I take every known cardio-protective anti-oxidant to protect myself. I have the money - so why should I not take these supplements? I believe these supplements will give me an extra decade or two more life. I'm not going to place all my faith on the paleo diet to protect me - why should I? What does that prove and who am I proving it to?

  2. I'm 32 years old. Before I took all these supplements and ate paleo, I looked 10 years older. I was haggered, tired, baggy eyed, and *$#@-faced. These supplements go above and beyond what any diet can provide. People tell me all the time now that I look like a teenager. I love it. Again, with results like that, why would I not take all these supplements? My skin is softer and smoother than when I was 18. My hair is thick, shiny, and lush. It never used to be like that until I started taking supplements and eating paleo.

  3. People who say "I feel healthy and I don't take supplements" are kidding themselves. It's not always about how you feel. There's are plenty of damaging and oxidative processes happening in your body that you can not feel. You can't feel high blood pressure until you get a heart attack or stroke. You can't feel the AGEs ravaging your body until you get cancer. You can't feel the hundreds of environmental toxins floating around in your blood until you've got an auto-immune disease or cancer.

I say, if you have the money, take supplements and anti-oxidants. I take a huge plethora of supplements in half-doses so I don't overdo any one particular thing. I believe that by mixing many different antioxidants in smaller doses allows them to work synergistically. I don't believe in mega-dosing, although when people see me popping 20 pills at breakfast it might look like I am. Every type of antioxidant works differently in the body so I don't place my bets on any one particular kind.

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8953 · June 01, 2012 at 6:37 PM

To be honest though : *"Many of them are anti-oxidant from dozens of fruit extracts. Imagine eating all that sugar to get the equivalent dose!? Yikes!"* is really a bit wacko.

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543 · April 18, 2012 at 4:50 PM

That's how much I spend on food each month! :o

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8953 · April 18, 2012 at 3:36 PM

If the supplements work, why not :) I just feel more comfortable with food than with supplements, so I try to get as much as possible without swallowing pills.

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1200 · April 18, 2012 at 3:13 PM

I take a very tiny amount of fucoxathin (about 1/6th the recommended dose or 1 out of the 6 pills per day). It's actually an anti-oxidant and protective against certain types of cancer.

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19120 · April 18, 2012 at 2:33 PM

I'm curious about why if you are lean an toned you are still talking fucoxathin? Curious if there are other benefits to it besides thermogenic ones.

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5135 · April 18, 2012 at 2:32 PM

I don't know, sometimes I definitely feel my blood pressure rising.

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1794 · April 18, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Alright, if you really want to know.

Everyone here, I would imagine, wants to be as healthy as possible. In reality, it's hard to know how nutritious modern food really is when all we hear is "depletion of the soil" blah blah blah...

So we do our best, reaching for the most nutritious food possible. Sometimes we can get everything we need or think we need, but life gets in the way. I'm 21 and I buy my own groceries, I can't really buy seafood on my budget. I can't buy exotic things just for their nutrients, you know?

Do I need all these nutrients? I have no clue. Am I getting everything I need? I have absolutely no clue. I think so...

So I occasionally take a mineral supplement or two and Omega 3s and Vitamin D in the winter. Sometime I buy supplements just to try them, because I like to tinker and see what works and what doesn't.

For some people, supplementation will help them get better. It will speed up the process and hopefully get them to a point where they are content with their health.

There are lots of reasons to supplement, but you definitely don't need to if you don't want to!

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788 · September 07, 2013 at 1:28 AM

Chris, I highly recommend checking out your local Asian/Vietnamese market. I wasn't buying seafood either as whole foods charged upwards of $10 per pound. When I checked the Asian market close to me, I found they had real wild fish at anywhere between $3-$6 per pound. They will clean and scale it for you and you are set.

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1794 · April 18, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Thanks Denis, I'll give that a shot!

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8953 · April 18, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Because natural is not optimal, because paleo is not ultimate nutrition in all cases, and because most of us start doing it because we're sick, so we need more than just food to heal (for example, it is extremely difficult to get rid of acne without fat-soluble vitamins).

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2799 · April 18, 2012 at 3:50 PM

Because I'm a weenie and don't want to eat animals head to tail.

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11254 · April 18, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Technically paleo isn't about supplements at all. Most of us take Vitamin D3, but we do so because we are not rich enough to get out in the sun during work hours. We can't or don't want to eat enough fish to get our Omega-3s. Sometimes we have weird symptoms and turn to supplements rather than pharmaceutical drugs. This isn't a hit against paleo; these are attempts at dealing with the very unpaleo nature of modern life.

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444 · April 18, 2012 at 3:39 PM

We don't live in paleolithic times. Our meat is not paleolithic meat. Our air is not paleolithic air. Our water is not paleolithic water. We do not live paleolithic lifestyles or have paleolithic minds.

We are neolithic people trying to live in a way that is informed by evolutionary biology.

If you want to participate in historical reenactments go to a renaissance fair.

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444 · April 18, 2012 at 4:26 PM

The idea of not consuming things because they have only been around for 10,000 years is flawed. It is a good starting point. It is good to be suspicious of neolithic foods, just as it is good to be suspicious of politicians, journalists, and bloggers. But categorically removing items from the possibility of being beneficial because they are relatively new is misguided. It is possible that 90% of health gains in this movement are simply from not eating toxic grains. Everything after that is pretty much up for grabs imo.

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1489 · April 18, 2012 at 3:47 PM

and i know that supplements have benefits..but not all are good for you...and not all are able to absorbed or used when consumed in supplement form...and things like iron can cause constipation and the likes as it irritates the gut ... and things like dairy and yogurt, yes they may have insulin spiking properties, but they also have other benefits like probiotics in them, and calcium etc

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1489 · April 18, 2012 at 3:44 PM

Well it's more like how can you put down the production and agriculture of wheat and corn and soy etc and things like yoghurt and dairy that are results from modern technology and say we shouldn't consume it because it's only been around for 10000 years, but modern medicine supplementation is a-okay?

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24528 · April 18, 2012 at 10:02 PM

I think the premise of the question might be faulty here. They supplemented like crazy, just not in gel-cap form the way we do now.

Things like thyroid gland, adrenal glands, spleen, liver, eyes, brain, medicinal leaves and roots, sour berries, sea vegetables, and clay soils, and gathered salts were all used and prized, they just weren't broken into a shelf-stable powder and sold in bottles.

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5135 · April 18, 2012 at 1:13 PM

I'm the person who suggested BCAAs in that thread, and I gave my answer to your question there, but I'll chime in here that the modern paleo diet isn't the be-all-end-all diet for perfect health. In fact, if you go back 70,000 years, I'll guarantee you that actual paleolithic humans weren't the paragon of health either. I'd bet they all had serious vitamin deficiencies at one time or another that easily could have led to disease or other unhealthy conditions. That doesn't mean that getting your full RDA isn't important.

I'm assuming that most of us here who have been eating paleo for a while aren't doing it because that's what our ancestors did, although that may be what piqued our curiosity to begin with. We continue to do it because it works for us. If supplementing vitamins works for people, they should do that regardless of the judgment someone might have about what it says about their dietary ideology. This is especially true considering that, yes, many people who come to paleo come to it in a lesser state of health than they'd like and need more aggressive intervention than diet alone can provide.

That being said, other than BCAAs I use before I lift fasted (which I explain in the other thread), the only supplement I take is vitamin D.

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1200 · April 18, 2012 at 5:21 PM

He's recommending 30grams of BCAA before a fasted workout. That's a lot. I've only been taking 8g and getting results. To each their own...

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5135 · April 18, 2012 at 2:17 PM

I just ran across this article at Mark's Daily Apple from the other day that has some info on BCAAs: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/dear-mark-vegetarian-fed-bcaas-and-bland-grass-fed-beef/#more-28748

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5135 · April 18, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Well, I'm still experimenting with them. They definitely cut down on post-workout muscle fatigue. Supposedly they help stop your body from cannibalizing your muscles if you lift without any food in your stomach. I haven't noticed any amazing strength gains. I'm still not sure if I'll keep with it after this first tub I bought is gone. More serious lifters than I love them.

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1200 · April 18, 2012 at 1:41 PM

What does of BCAAs do you take when working out fasted? What kind of results did you get?

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626 · April 18, 2012 at 12:33 PM

I only eat meat, herbal teas, and water. I don't take supplements. I'm perfectly healthy.

Having said that, some people need to heal for many years to undo the damage from years of eating sugar and grains. Supplements might help with that. But they're not necessary for healthy people.

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80 · April 18, 2012 at 12:33 PM

A. The environmental conditions from which food is sourced are very different today than in the paleolithic many of which necessitate supplemental nutrition.

B. Just because cavemen didn't take any supplements doesn't mean that there is no value to supplements in the promotion of health and longevity.

Ask any honest person with knowledge of physiology and nutrition and they would tell you that whenever possible nutrients should come from whole foods however today's conditions result in supplementation often being a rather practical solution for those seeking optimal health.

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15003 · April 18, 2012 at 12:32 PM

We take supplements for all sorts of reasons. Insurance is a typical one, vanity is another. Anyone taking BCAAs before a fasted workout is as much concerned with performance as they are with health ... or as folks are wont to say, about looking good naked.

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19120 · April 18, 2012 at 2:30 PM

*looking good naked* ... yup, that's actually why I'm using BCAAs. ;-D However, from day 1 I planned a 2-3 month course at most. The stuff works, but it's expensive.

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15003 · April 18, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Right, and that's the point. We tinker with supplements because we can ;).

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1200 · April 18, 2012 at 1:39 PM

BCAAs are truly the miracle aminos for building muscle. I lifted heavy weights for 2 years and got nothing...except for an expensive hernia repair. When I started taking BCAAs a few months ago my muscles started sprouting like chia seeds all over my body. I love it!

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1200 · April 18, 2012 at 1:38 PM

BCAAs are truly the miracle aminos for building muscle. I lifted heavy weights for 2 years and got nothing...except for an expensive hernia repair. When I started taking BCAAs a few months ago before my muscles started sprouting like chia seeds all over my body. I love it!

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1173 · April 18, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Thats why paleo is flawed, its a better way of eating then the way the majority of Western people eat, but it is still far from optimal.

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1200 · April 18, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Everything is flawed. Nothing is perfect. There is no perfect diet nor is there a perfect supplement or any perfect food. We each find our own solution within the paleosphere that works for us.

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444 · April 18, 2012 at 4:47 PM

I don't know if it's so much that Paleo is flawed as it is that paleo fanaticism is flawed. If your interpretation of Paleo is to get most of your nutrition from meat & fish, fruit & veg, while staying away from toxic grains and industrial oils, you're in a good place. If your interpretation is to live in a cave and stalk elk in your underwear, you might be overenthusiastic to your own detriment.

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1049 · April 18, 2012 at 3:27 PM

There is also another reason people take them I believe. They are enticed to because someone is marketing them. That is one reason we moved from heathly eating to poor nutrition in the first place. Instant food (which promotes laziness)in a box/can/bottle with a nice loud visual message.

Anything that can be worked in some way is being sold for the $$$$$. A natural food only comes in a few un-competitive variations: organic non organic, older, fresher. Anything packaged has oooh boy: bigger, smaller, better tasting, enhanced this and that, coated just so, more conveniently packaged, soft, hard, combo, mixes, specially balanced for...patented, SHELF LIFE, SHELF LIFE!!

I think we can get our nutrients, the whole mix, from food and should. These supplements do not state: ONLY FOR THOSE WITH SPECIAL DIETARY NEEDS. They are being marketing with gusto for everyone who has a penny in his pocket and hope in the heart. For babies, children, adolescents, women, men, elderly, the over-weight, the under-weight, for hair loss, for eye sight, for better skin, for better memory, for better sleep........oh too many to list.

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15400 · April 18, 2012 at 12:35 PM

I cannot supplement AT ALL - I get an allergic reaction. I feel so lucky! I am blessed to have the opportunity to get all my nutrients from food. YES!!!

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15400 · April 18, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Thanks for your comment. What kind of supplements do you get?

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8953 · April 18, 2012 at 12:57 PM

I apparently didn't tolerate all my old supplements either. I now only supplement fat-solubles (if possible from thorne that puts them in MCT), or buy pure powder at pharmacies (eg aspirin, nicotinamidum, epsom salt, ...).

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1794 · April 18, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Don't take supplements and go live in a cave.

Have Fun.

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1794 · April 18, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Yeah, the not sarcastic, defensive one. :)

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19120 · April 18, 2012 at 3:19 PM

... you mean the one I had already upvoted? ;-)

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1794 · April 18, 2012 at 3:14 PM

Then you can go look at my more appropriate reply.

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19120 · April 18, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Comments on answers are used to ... comment on answers. I have not replied directly to the questions posed, and others have done well. I get that you may have been trying to be illustrative or funny, but you can't assume that others (esp. the poser of the question) will understand that.

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1794 · April 18, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Neither does your reply.

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19120 · April 18, 2012 at 2:28 PM

This answer doesn't answer the question nor further discussion.

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1489 · April 18, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Sorry, I don't mean to be an all or nothing kind of person. I am really interested to find out why we can't be sourcing these minerals from our food sources...

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