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Paleo nutritions without ANY Fruits and Vegetables?

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Hey, I'm extremely new to the Paleo world (Started Crossfitting a month and a half ago) and I have a question.

First an introduction - I'm 26 years old, Extremely Obese (almost 380lbs) , but in my luck I'm tall as well (6"2') so the weight doesn't show as much as it would on a shorter person.

Anyways, I've been struggling with weight my entire life - Especially with delicious foods, and I'm trying to make adjustments to my daily eating habits as much as possible.

My main issue is, ever since childhood i don't eat ANY fruits of vegetables. I seriously don't know why, I just find the look and smell of them disgusting. I thought of trying to force myself to try some veggies/fruits but it seems impossible.

So down to the question,

Do you believe it would be somehow possible to go Paleo without any veggies and fruirts? Is there any other kind of nutrition I should be looking at? Adding protein by protein-powder/shakes? I'm extremely new to this entire world (nutrition in general) so I'm sorry if my questions are a bit of "Starter" questions.

Thanks all the way from Israel,

Shai.

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0 · October 31, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Anyways I didn't look for any sort of validation. I looked for alternative foods and options that can replace my lack of veggies. Some people helped greatly and some people just looked down and claimed I have to eat veggies and i'm a spoiled brat if I don't. Whatever. I take the good things from this thread and leave the bad ones behind.

Cheers to anyone who tried to help in any way.

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0 · October 31, 2013 at 12:46 PM

I wasn't scared off, I just choose my fights.

I'm not gonna convince anyone of my "just" here, or whatever. Some people gave me helpful and patient answers and others were a bit more agressive, and that's fine - its just not for me.

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0 · October 31, 2013 at 12:45 PM

I wasn't scared off, I just choose my fights.

I'm not gonna convince anyone of my "just" here, or whatever. Some people gave me helpful and patient answers and others were a bit more agressive, and that's fine - its just not for me.

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41452 · October 31, 2013 at 12:41 PM

This probably scared him off, but I don't think he was serious about the whole thing. I mean, he was unwilling to try anything, and only really wanted us to validate his terrible diet.

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529 · October 31, 2013 at 9:09 AM

I've read your other responses, and it seems that you are serious in making changes to your lifestyle. You're obviously taking some flack for not eating veggies, but I think we all have unique challenges. Perhaps the best advice I can give you is to read any of the popular paleo books. I recommend Perfect Health Diet. You will get your answers much quicker by reading whole books.

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690 · October 31, 2013 at 7:05 AM

@freak4pc Assholes???? You're a whiner. As per >>>>"Don't even like most of the things you suggested here (for example I don't eat mustard or vinegar... ) . I don't know if eating a whole salad is a good way to tackle this psychologically after not getting near any vegetables for so long. <<<<< I've got a suggestion...... keep digging your grave with your fork. I think Amazon sells the new Twinkies by the case... free shipping. Re-read your own replies & comments with unbiased point of view.... what's your impression?

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690 · October 31, 2013 at 6:58 AM

@freak4pc Are you a troll? If not, stop making excuses. Read his blog more carefully. Exercise is icing on the cake, nice additive but not needed for fat loss. I went from 220 to 190 ...only walking. He's a scientist (really an engineer b4 medicine) ... just follow the plan forget the measurements & exercise. Your last 26 years have not worked for you GTFU and doing some things outside your limited nutritional box. Stop whining & sack up.

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5650 · October 31, 2013 at 5:17 AM

i know I get less than 15 grams a day- that's what the gut sense guy recommends. the more fiber you eat when you are constipated, the more backed up you will get. it's just adding bulk on top of bulk. I am too regular. trying to get my bowel movements down.

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598 · October 31, 2013 at 3:56 AM

I'm really nervous about dropping my fiber very low because my digestive problems revolve around constipation. Are you regular? Have you tracked nutrients to get an idea just how many grams fiber you get? The gutsense website has me wondering how little i can get by with as it does sometimes block me up instead of helping me move my stuff...

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41452 · October 31, 2013 at 2:06 AM

Also, if you get hungry enough, veggies will become quite edible. At 380 pounds, you don't go hungry nearly enough.

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26182 · October 31, 2013 at 1:24 AM

you don't expect me to understand? Brother I've been there. And ultimately the only answer is to get over it. If you cannot get yourself to eat veggie, take a multi and pray.

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2353 · October 30, 2013 at 10:53 PM

The juicer suggestion is an excellent idea — I was going to mention it if no one else did. I picked up mine on Craigslist, gently used.

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598 · October 30, 2013 at 10:44 PM

There are a lot of things I like more now than before. I've been a veggie eater most of my life but I can certainly attest that your taste buds change. Well, not literally, but... wait maybe they do!

Anyway, there is a very real chance you will get over it and learn to love veggies. There's also a very real chance that your body is rejecting veggies for a good reason and everyone on here is too dense to see that possibility.

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598 · October 30, 2013 at 10:29 PM

Sorry to break it up into so many comments but it kept rejecting my comments even though I was well below the character limit.

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598 · October 30, 2013 at 10:29 PM

If you really want to be healthy without eating veggies, there is a case to be made for supplements as well. You can get most of the micro and even macronutrients needed from veggies in a capsule. This is not nearly as healthy as eating REAL FOOD and it's certainly NOT PALEO and people on here will hate me for suggesting it but I'm taking your question as a serious challenge and wondering if you can be healthy while avoiding the foods we all know are healthy... You'd end up eating quite a handful of capsules each day BTW.

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598 · October 30, 2013 at 10:28 PM

Point being that you CAN live without veggies.

If you're willing to eat some potatoes, bananas, and mushrooms that's EXCELLENT. All three of those are good sources of potassium which you will be hard pressed to get from meat, unless you're crazy for clams. They're also full of other nutrients. The safest nuts are macadamias but almonds are okay if you soak them and remove the skins.

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/finfish-and-shellfish-products/4182/2

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598 · October 30, 2013 at 10:26 PM

So I want to emphasize that I do agree you should at least try to force yourself to eat veggies. You may not believe it, but you could totally end up liking them a few years down the road. Also: I was just trying to freak you out. Just eat varied organ meats and bone broths.

That said, take a look at this: http://www.vice.com/read/this-guy-has-eaten-nothing-but-raw-meat-for-five-years

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598 · October 30, 2013 at 10:18 PM

If you think salad gives you a gag reflex maybe you should read this: http://www.vice.com/read/this-guy-has-eaten-nothing-but-raw-meat-for-five-years

That would give most people a gag reflex but it nearly saved this guy...

I tend to agree with others that you should suck it up and eat your veggies like a big boy, but I want you to know that it's NOT the only option. Plus I'm strangely amused by these all-meat nutcases.

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0 · October 30, 2013 at 9:57 PM

Paleot, thank you so much. I almost kinda regretted for writing this questions because some people were kind of assholes about my eating habits but your answers were kind and very helpful. Thank you very much again.

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1005 · October 30, 2013 at 9:56 PM

Personally, I found baby spinach and baby swiss chard to be very palatable (like easier to eat than iceberg lettuce.) This is the sauce I started with. You can kind of hate on the sauce because it's a sort of processed-food, but it'll get you started until you learn to ferment and make your own organic version. Just start grabbing vegetables and going for it. Yellow squash is great. I like throwing asparagus in the pan after I do steak and onions. Lots of new foods for you to try!

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0 · October 30, 2013 at 9:52 PM

Thanks, This comment really helped - Thank you very much. I'm gonna go to my local healthstore and try find some interesting sauce or dressing for salads that might be a good start to trying out new veggies again. Which vegetables do you think I should consider starting with ... ?

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1005 · October 30, 2013 at 9:50 PM

Mind over matter! Sometimes, you just have to make yourself do what you know you want to do. In the beginning, it might be especially bland / bitter because you haven't found things you like yet. (Like I was eating salads without dressing for a couple weeks, it got 5x better once I found a good pineapple balsamic.) Look into stir fry's and fried rice or meatloaf type foods where you can hide vegetables in and it ends up beefy. Also chicken/beef-broth vegetable soups.

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0 · October 30, 2013 at 9:42 PM

Hey Karen, Thanks for the tip - they're extremely appreciated. I'm gonna try with butter salt and pepper and see if that helps.

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41452 · October 30, 2013 at 9:16 PM

You don't eat them, doesn't mean you cannot eat them. Seriously, wearing your big boy pants is about the only reasonable answer at this point. Not eating them because you prefer the culinary equivalent of crank is not a legit reason.

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0 · October 30, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Hey @Methodican, thanks for the helpful comment.

I think eating weird animal parts and vegetables would be weird in the same way. I need to try and see but testicles/eye-balls seems like things I wouldn't dare eating..

I like sweet potatoes when seasoned and spiced correctly ... I also like mushrooms and Bananas if thats any helpful...

I do like nuts, almonds, etc ... But im not sure what kind I should eat and how much of it should I eat and when exactly ...

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0 · October 30, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Anyways, About the foods you talked about, I don't eat most of them (Zucchini, Asparagus, Lettuce, Tomato). I do eat mashed potatoes/puree but potatoes are starched so I'm not sure thats helpful.

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0 · October 30, 2013 at 8:09 PM

As much as I appreciate any advice, "wear your big boy pants and man up" isn't help and is knowledge i already had before your answer.

I don't expect you to understand my situation but don't underestimate it unless you've been in the same situation. If you would ask a question about something i'm good at, I would treat you with utmost respect for your will of learning new things.

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0 · October 30, 2013 at 8:08 PM

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0 · October 30, 2013 at 8:04 PM

Thank @paleot, Much appreciated. I'm trying to work on my old habits/psychological habbits with veggies. Cheers.

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41452 · October 30, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Sounds like the extent of his plant eating is just highly processed wheat flour.

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245 · October 30, 2013 at 5:48 PM

as for the coffee, maybe look into bulletproof coffee, some people apparently like that quite a bit. if the only bad thing your adding to your diet is sugar in your coffee your probably fine, but if your not following the diet by adding bad things every chance you can get... well your not following the diet.

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245 · October 30, 2013 at 5:46 PM

clearly a psychological issue that you should look into fixing, when people attempt to add new foods to their diet they often have to try them several times to 'acquire' the taste, if you dont give things a shot you never expand your horizons.

artificial sweeteners are generally looked down upon aswell, some are better/worse than others. your not doing yourself any favors if your rationalizing excuses to eat poorly, but cheat foods are perfectly fine on occasion, there is no real 'healthy cheat'.

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41452 · October 30, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Power through it, you'll get over it. :)

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0 · October 30, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Hey wtfgod, first of all I want to say I really appreciate your comment.

When you say cut down sugars, what about Artificial Sweeteners for coffee etc... ? Also what would you recommend I eat as a sweet replacement when I have a craving of some sort ... ? As sort of getting off the addiction :)

About not liking fruits and veggies ... Some people like frog legs, and you might not like them. I think its understandable. I wish I would like fruits/veggies but I literally get a gag reflex everytime I even smell a salad from afar.

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198 · October 30, 2013 at 3:17 PM

my basic dressing is a teaspoon of dijon, with 1/4 cup Balsamic and a teaspoon of EVO. That dresses a salad for 4 people. I eat no more than one fruit a day as I am still trying to drop the last few pounds.

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0 · October 30, 2013 at 3:11 PM

I've dug pretty deep into Attia's blog and it seems extremely interesting but his diet also depends heavily on veggies in some sort of way . Also I kinda got the impression the guy is a true scientist and after seeing some video interviews with him I don't thing this approach would be possible for me. He's an extreme athlete (4 hours of training every day), And i'm a casual CF-er (3 times a week, 1 hour every time). Also he measures his blood/fat/etc of himself intensively (a bit crazy in my opinion) which is something I dont think im capable of.

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0 · October 30, 2013 at 3:11 PM

I've dug pretty deep into Attia's blog and it seems extremely interesting but his diet also depends heavily on veggies in some sort of way . Also I kinda got the impression the guy is a true scientist and after seeing some video interviews with him I don't thing this approach would be possible for me. He's an extreme athlete (4 hours of training every day), And i'm a casual CF-er (3 times a week, 1 hour every time). Also he measures his blood/fat/etc of himself intesively (a bit crazy in my opinion) which is something I dont think im capable of.

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0 · October 30, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Don't even like most of the things you suggested here (for exmaple I don't eat mustard or vinegar... ) . I don't know if eating a whole salad is a good way to tackle this psychologically after not getting near any vegetables for so long. But i do appreciate your answer. Thanks again man.

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15 · October 30, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Samc...I love all those salad toppings, but get bored with them in isolation. Are you saying to mix them all? Oh and I make sure to eat my fruit with a protein so it doesn't sit and ferment in the intestinal tract. Low glycemic is the way to go (Im sure you know this)

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245 · October 30, 2013 at 3:04 PM

sugar should be the first thing you cut, eating your whole diet in meats probably isnt going to be very pleasant.

you should take a look at some few 'paleo recipe' sites, i have a hard time understanding how someone can dislike fruits/veggies, as fruits are actively sweet... while not ideal still far better than what your eating; and while some veggies may be bitter a lot are pretty benign taste wise. also carbs shouldnt be the focus of your diet but are ok(earned), ideally safe carbs like sweet potato/rice.

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41452 · October 30, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Yeah, you need some real plant matter in there, teach yourself to eat it. Exchanging all that junk food for chicken breasts and burgers is just going to make you miserable.

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0 · October 30, 2013 at 12:59 PM

And I didn't even start talking about sweets (ice cream, chocolate, cookies, etc) which are very hard to go away from (i start feeling like crap after a while without sugar)

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0 · October 30, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Hey there, thanks ! i really appreciate it.

Do you have any recommended links I can read? I'm gonna google also as well but maybe you have something I should start with.

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0 · October 30, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Unhealthy foods I usually eat includes cheeseburgers, pasta with cream, croissants/breads, pizza here and there, eggs benedict, all sorts of things I guess. for the last month and a half im trying to cut most of that out and eat more chicken and meat etc (burger without a bun etcetera) but its extremely hard of course, mainly because i dont know what im supposed to eat or what I should replace my old habits with. I guess I have a lot more research to do ...

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41452 · October 30, 2013 at 12:37 PM

The "paleo" alternative to plants is animal liver, but I tend to think folks who won't eat fruits and veggies aren't likely to choke down liver either. Not to mention liver is imbalanced in some nutrients, so you can't use it as a "multivitamin" without getting things out of balance. You don't tell us what you eat. What are these "delicious" foods you speak of? I happen to think my veggie-centric paleo fare is delicious as well.

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245 · October 30, 2013 at 12:32 PM

the main thing you get from veggies is micronutrition, most likely some other good-for-you compounds, small amounts of carbs and ofcourse water.

if you want a better idea of what you have too much of or not enough of in your diet...chronometer is a pretty neat tool, just put in what you eat daily and see what comes up lacking or excessive, it even has a 'paleo' setting.

http://cronometer.com/

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0 · October 30, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Gotya. Much appreciated. Is there any other kind of nutrition that could be more suitable to my limitations ... ?

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5650 · October 31, 2013 at 3:20 AM

I don't think fruits and veggies are necessary at all.

I kind of "sprinkle" them on my meats, not more than 1/2 a cup a day. it's usually sauerkraut, avocado, cooked carrots, or bananas. I need as little fiber as possible due to digestive problems.

If you don't enjoy them, don't force yourself to eat them. personally, I LOVE the taste of fruits and veggies and wish I could eat loads of them. just not good for my health.

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598 · October 31, 2013 at 3:56 AM

I'm really nervous about dropping my fiber very low because my digestive problems revolve around constipation. Are you regular? Have you tracked nutrients to get an idea just how many grams fiber you get? The gutsense website has me wondering how little i can get by with as it does sometimes block me up instead of helping me move my stuff...

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32518 · October 31, 2013 at 3:13 AM

I do just fine without much fruit or veggies. I've been lacto-Paleo for over 3 years.

Veggies are waaaay overrated in the Paleo world.

Your Vitamin C requirement drops significantly when eating a low carb diet. You should supplement just to be safe.

I eat occasionally have a pickle with my hot dog! I treat fruit and veggies as condiments, really.

The key is to eat organ meats, eggs, and seafood for micronutrients. They are actually more nutrient-dense sources than vegetables.

Dairy is also great if you can tolerate it. Especially hard cheese.

So paté or liverwurst, salmon, free-range eggs, oysters, caviar...

Some articles that may be of interest:

http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2012/03/five-a-day-the-truth/

http://archaeonova.blogspot.com/2013/09/musings-does-starch-consumption-and.html

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2353 · October 30, 2013 at 10:59 PM

Liver may not supply all your vitamins and minerals, but it's an excellent source of many of them, in moderation. I disguise my ground liver in meatloaf (1/4 lb/pound of ground beef). Throw in 1/3C of ground chia seed/chia flour/pound of ground beefmeatloaf - paleo.pdf, and you have a super food. Recipe attached.

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0 · October 30, 2013 at 9:41 PM

I second what @paleot says...a month into eating this way and I now look forward to broccoli, spinach, salad, asparagus etc whereas before I would go weeks without fruit or veg. Infact the other day I ate a juicy pear that felt like the tastiest thing I'd had in years. Your taste buds do change, give it time. I put butter salt and pepper on the veg and makes it very tasty indeed.

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0 · October 30, 2013 at 9:42 PM

Hey Karen, Thanks for the tip - they're extremely appreciated. I'm gonna try with butter salt and pepper and see if that helps.

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598 · October 30, 2013 at 10:44 PM

There are a lot of things I like more now than before. I've been a veggie eater most of my life but I can certainly attest that your taste buds change. Well, not literally, but... wait maybe they do!

Anyway, there is a very real chance you will get over it and learn to love veggies. There's also a very real chance that your body is rejecting veggies for a good reason and everyone on here is too dense to see that possibility.

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43 · October 30, 2013 at 9:01 PM

do what i do... get some romaine lettuce, maybe some spinach and just DROWN it in poppyseed dressing and then throw tons of animal protein/fat and fats on top of it and eat it from a giant bowl. or steam everything (still retain most nutrients this way), and stick to the really bland stuff and find which ones you like... especially if you're looking for weight loss, high fat ketogenic diet is gonna be your best friend... try sweet potatoes/yams/squash/white rice post workout if your crosfitting, you'll need to refill glycogen stores

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1005 · October 30, 2013 at 7:43 PM

I can relate to not eating much fruit / veg your whole life. When I was a kid I'd put up a fit anytime my parents tried to feed me vegetables (even threw up a few lima beans or carrots once or twice.) I did a near exclusive processed food/corn/soy/wheat/grain-fed meat diet for 20 years or so and maintained a normal / athletic body type. I'm not a fan of sweets, so I didn't really eat much fruit either. I didn't get much sunlight really either.

Eventually it caught up with me and I needed some real nutrients to radically improve my nutrition. I'm now trying to eat vegetables with almost every single meal. It was very difficult at first (nothing tasted good at all.) But, my tastes have completely changed. Once you remove all the comfortable food that tastes good (salty fast food burgers and fries / cheetos-type foods), all the bitter plant stuff starts working for you (after a couple months of eating this way.) It's pretty amazing the difference of how a salad tasted a year ago, and how it tastes today.

These days I can snack on carrots and actually enjoy it. If all else fails and you do go low veg, maybe look into getting a high performance slow juicer and doing that with some meats / starches.

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2353 · October 30, 2013 at 10:53 PM

The juicer suggestion is an excellent idea — I was going to mention it if no one else did. I picked up mine on Craigslist, gently used.

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0 · October 30, 2013 at 8:04 PM

Thank @paleot, Much appreciated. I'm trying to work on my old habits/psychological habbits with veggies. Cheers.

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26182 · October 30, 2013 at 7:20 PM

So when you eat a burger... do you put lettuce and a tomato on it?

Do you like Marinara sauce on your pasta (of course we are talking zucchini noodles now, not wheat noodles)

Do you like soup?

Mashed Potatoes?

Bacon wrapped Asparagus?

There are lots of ways to get hordes of vegetables in even if you don't like them. Purees/ sauces/ soups are great options.

But honestly dude, you're a big boy. put on your big-boy pants and man-up. If you do not have the will power to eat a damn brussels sprout, how are you going to succeed at life? Get over it, eat your veggies, they are good for you. (of course this is assuming you don't have an allergy.)

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0 · October 30, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Anyways, About the foods you talked about, I don't eat most of them (Zucchini, Asparagus, Lettuce, Tomato). I do eat mashed potatoes/puree but potatoes are starched so I'm not sure thats helpful.

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0 · October 30, 2013 at 8:08 PM

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41452 · October 30, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Sounds like the extent of his plant eating is just highly processed wheat flour.

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0 · October 30, 2013 at 8:09 PM

As much as I appreciate any advice, "wear your big boy pants and man up" isn't help and is knowledge i already had before your answer.

I don't expect you to understand my situation but don't underestimate it unless you've been in the same situation. If you would ask a question about something i'm good at, I would treat you with utmost respect for your will of learning new things.

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598 · October 30, 2013 at 6:49 PM

For short-term weight loss you can do just about anything but to be healthy long-term and keep it off, you need balance.

In all honesty, I don't condone this sort of thing but there are a few people here on PaleoHacks who pull of an almost 100% meat/animal diet and lead healthy lives.

For instance, @Ambimorph and @Rose come to mind. Ask them about it but I'll give my two cents.

It is my opinion that the only way you can pull this off is to eat pretty much the WHOLE ANIMAL and lots of different species. Think things like spleen, tendon and eye balls... that might help keep things in balance. Hey do you like testicles? You can't live on muscle and liver, at least not in a healthy way. Try to get a little bit of all the offal in your diet and eat plenty of bone broths and stuff.

Going zero carb creates problems for most people though.

Do you like potatos? Especially sweet potatos? Seasonings and spices? Anything with plant matter that you do like should be liberally applied, especially seasonings for trace nutrients IMHO.

What kind of non-grain, non-bean plant matter do you like?

Do you like nuts? Have you ever tried seaweed?

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598 · October 30, 2013 at 10:26 PM

So I want to emphasize that I do agree you should at least try to force yourself to eat veggies. You may not believe it, but you could totally end up liking them a few years down the road. Also: I was just trying to freak you out. Just eat varied organ meats and bone broths.

That said, take a look at this: http://www.vice.com/read/this-guy-has-eaten-nothing-but-raw-meat-for-five-years

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598 · October 30, 2013 at 10:29 PM

If you really want to be healthy without eating veggies, there is a case to be made for supplements as well. You can get most of the micro and even macronutrients needed from veggies in a capsule. This is not nearly as healthy as eating REAL FOOD and it's certainly NOT PALEO and people on here will hate me for suggesting it but I'm taking your question as a serious challenge and wondering if you can be healthy while avoiding the foods we all know are healthy... You'd end up eating quite a handful of capsules each day BTW.

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0 · October 30, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Hey @Methodican, thanks for the helpful comment.

I think eating weird animal parts and vegetables would be weird in the same way. I need to try and see but testicles/eye-balls seems like things I wouldn't dare eating..

I like sweet potatoes when seasoned and spiced correctly ... I also like mushrooms and Bananas if thats any helpful...

I do like nuts, almonds, etc ... But im not sure what kind I should eat and how much of it should I eat and when exactly ...

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598 · October 30, 2013 at 10:29 PM

Sorry to break it up into so many comments but it kept rejecting my comments even though I was well below the character limit.

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598 · October 30, 2013 at 10:28 PM

Point being that you CAN live without veggies.

If you're willing to eat some potatoes, bananas, and mushrooms that's EXCELLENT. All three of those are good sources of potassium which you will be hard pressed to get from meat, unless you're crazy for clams. They're also full of other nutrients. The safest nuts are macadamias but almonds are okay if you soak them and remove the skins.

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/finfish-and-shellfish-products/4182/2

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1147 · October 30, 2013 at 6:34 PM

it depends how long you want to last. Stop when you get scurvy. By then you will be depleted of a number of other micronutrients. Nature does not favor picky eaters.

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198 · October 30, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Make some salads, toss in your protein and dress it with balsamic vinegar, lots of dijon mustard and a splash of olive oil. Don't be a wimp, eat it and learn to love it. Due to family revolt, I don't do this all the time, but I could eat a big salad for dinner every night for the rest of my days. The good thing is at 380lbs you can eat a gigantic bowl of it and still drop some pounds. As for fruit, I'd avoid it anyway if you have that much weight to drop.

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15 · October 30, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Samc...I love all those salad toppings, but get bored with them in isolation. Are you saying to mix them all? Oh and I make sure to eat my fruit with a protein so it doesn't sit and ferment in the intestinal tract. Low glycemic is the way to go (Im sure you know this)

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Don't even like most of the things you suggested here (for exmaple I don't eat mustard or vinegar... ) . I don't know if eating a whole salad is a good way to tackle this psychologically after not getting near any vegetables for so long. But i do appreciate your answer. Thanks again man.

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529 · October 30, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Yes, you can authentically go Paleo without eating plants.

It is sometimes called winter paleo, or the kind of diet one might eat in the Arctic. The traditional Inuit diet comes to mind.

Research (very) high fat diets. Dr. Peter Attia is doing some great work in this area. Check out his blog.

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0 · October 30, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Hey there, thanks ! i really appreciate it.

Do you have any recommended links I can read? I'm gonna google also as well but maybe you have something I should start with.

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0 · October 30, 2013 at 3:11 PM

I've dug pretty deep into Attia's blog and it seems extremely interesting but his diet also depends heavily on veggies in some sort of way . Also I kinda got the impression the guy is a true scientist and after seeing some video interviews with him I don't thing this approach would be possible for me. He's an extreme athlete (4 hours of training every day), And i'm a casual CF-er (3 times a week, 1 hour every time). Also he measures his blood/fat/etc of himself intesively (a bit crazy in my opinion) which is something I dont think im capable of.

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0 · October 30, 2013 at 3:11 PM

I've dug pretty deep into Attia's blog and it seems extremely interesting but his diet also depends heavily on veggies in some sort of way . Also I kinda got the impression the guy is a true scientist and after seeing some video interviews with him I don't thing this approach would be possible for me. He's an extreme athlete (4 hours of training every day), And i'm a casual CF-er (3 times a week, 1 hour every time). Also he measures his blood/fat/etc of himself intensively (a bit crazy in my opinion) which is something I dont think im capable of.

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41452 · October 30, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Paleo is a plant-centric diet with strategic consumption of meat and animal products. Skipping plants would be a terrible mistake in my opinion.

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0 · October 30, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Gotya. Much appreciated. Is there any other kind of nutrition that could be more suitable to my limitations ... ?

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