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Is this normal? Admittedly, I've only been eating in a ketosis-inducing way (less that 35g carbs, 80% fat) for a couple of days, but so far nothing good is happening. I'm eating calorically more this way than I normally do, because of all the coconut I'm consuming, but from what I've read here that should be okay, no? But I've definitely put on a few pounds already. I'm taking a week-long break from exercise (mostly cardio)- I have no idea what effect that might have.

flag	asked Feb 25 2012 at 10:45 Celine 612●4●11

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Celine, I eat similar ratios, but don't use coconut oil. I eat 20-30g/CHO/d, and 50-75g/PRO/d. I have to limit the amount of fat I eat in order for my body to burn fat stored in my body. Low carb is not a magic weight loss method for some of us. Some of us have to limit how much food we eat, too. I weigh the meat and cheese, and measure the fats I eat. For some of us, weighing and tracing is necessary. Best wishes to you. :) – PaleoGran Feb 25 2012 at 13:37

Ooops, sorry. That ought to be "weighing and tracking". – PaleoGran Feb 25 2012 at 13:37

Thanks so much PaleoGran! I'm glad I've been corrected in my ketosis misperceptions, or I would have just carried on gaining weight and being very weary of meat for two weeks. – Celine Feb 28 2012 at 14:40

Atkins-witha-loincloth · Answer 1 · 2012-02-26 19:32:22Z UTC

You are NOT in ketosis. Getting into ketosis and gluconeogenesis is a process that takes a minimum of two weeks and to get into full, functional ketosis, 4-6 weeks. And if you have a"cheat" meal or carb spike day, you go back to square one. You do not resume a ketotic diet on the next day and resume being in ketosis.

The coconut oil you are consuming is simply to ease you into ketosis/gluconeogenesis with the least discomfort possible.

Watch and listen to this. Then watch and listen to it again. Take notes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkdFkPxxDG8

And consider buying Phinney's book, which also comes in a Kindle edition.

http://www.amazon.com/Art-Science-Low-Carbohydrate-Living/dp/0983490708/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1330284400&sr=8-1

Watch and listen carefully. When you get the right information and really understand and assimilate it, it makes all the difference in the world.

Manimal · Answer 2 · 2012-02-25 12:17:29Z UTC

There's nothing magical about ketosis and you will still gain if energy in exceeds energy out. Ketosis is not neccessary for fatloss and you shouldn't put coconut and other fat sources everywhere. Focus on more protein from meat/eggs/dairy + green veggies and don't add any fats other than some fishoil. You'll be getting enough fats from your protein sources and don't have to worry about ketosis.

stephenj · Answer 3 · 2012-02-25 18:22:04Z UTC

Ketosis means that your body is using mostly fat for fuel. IF you are eating less energy than you burn, then yay, it'll be mostly stored fat that your body uses, and you will shrink. But if you are eating more energy, then you will still be laying down fat faster than you burn it. The win in ketosis is that most people are a lot less hungry. It does not add up to fat loss by itself.

If I go to ketosis I will usually undereat without planning to, because my appetite just shrinks. But this might not be true for you. And coconut is not a magic free fat loss food. The fats in it are easy to digest and it's a good choice for promoting ketosis, but if you eat enough of it, you can still get fatter on it.

peter · Answer 4 · 2012-02-25 11:02:02Z UTC

Really? You're eating more calories than you used to and you're putting on weight? That is strange. Maybe you need to eat even less carbs. Of course i'm joking.

One of the benefits with ketosis is that it will make you less hungry, therefore you should be able to cut your calories with little effort. It should also take you a couple of days to get into keto, so you may not be there yet or only just there.

Diet Diva · Answer 5 · 2012-02-25 11:42:10Z UTC

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Yeah, I've gained too. I went from a very low fat version of paleo to high fat so I guess my system if trying to adjust. If this keeps up though I'll freak.

answered Feb 25 2012 at 11:42

Diet Diva
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	Diet Diva, I feel you, I don't think I can handle gaining weight for two weeks not knowing whether I'll adapt! I have Hashimoto's, maybe that factors in in some unfathomable way. – Celine Feb 28 2012 at 14:33
	Lost the added lbs plus 2 more! Inch loss very noticable, fitting into my smaller sizes without the scales moving. Generally feel great, I like that! – Diet Diva Mar 18 2012 at 16:34

JayJay · Answer 6 · 2012-02-25 15:40:43Z UTC

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Its only been a couple of days...your not well adapted yet. Your bodies satiety signals and your ability to utilize fat for fuel are not anywhere near optimal at this point. It takes time. For me nothing budged for a couple of weeks, then the goo just started melting off all the sudden. Keep it up and you will adapt.

answered Feb 25 2012 at 15:40

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	I just started cooking with coconut oil, because I was cooking with olive oil, and was told that it should never be heated up, its Not a cooking oil? I really like cooking with butter even better, but my cholesterol levels don't. Now I wondering if I'm in a stalled phase because I haven't lost anymore weight for Shiu 2 wks now? I only drink green tea, and water, eat mostly fatty chicken, runs, beef, salmon, eggs,avacados, cabbage,& other veggies, sweet potatoes only! I have cut out all sugars,dairy,& breads! I go to "curves" 2x a week. I don't weigh, or count calories. Maybe I should? – Theresa Feb 25 2012 at 16:25
	LOL funny phone, "runs" should be tuna, and I don't know what the heck Shiu was ? – Theresa Feb 25 2012 at 16:29
	Counting calories is something I would rank as ...."last chance" method. I dont think your there yet :) – JayJay Feb 26 2012 at 1:49
	Thanks JayJay- while this is encouraging, now I'm all confused though, even by my normal Paleohacks standards! I honestly thought ketosis WAS supposed to be kind of a magic weight loss thing on which one can consume more calories than the norm without gaining weight, but I'm hearing otherwise- its not that I get hungry, I just get so bored of eating that low-carb that I can't handle it without the equivalent of about 6 coconuts a day! – Celine Feb 28 2012 at 14:26
	Yeah Celine, that is more or less right. No counting calories, and given some time for the metabolic shift ketosis IS great for weight loss. Part of what this eating style does is satiate you better. Like I said, I consider calorie counting something 99% should not have to do. Time is the ultimate factor. Do it for a full month (at least according to mem) and then see were you are and how you feel. Don't forget to take measurements cause if you lose inches, but the scale don't budge that still indicates significant fat loss. – JayJay Feb 28 2012 at 15:01

btskidz · Answer 7 · 2013-05-08 12:18:59Z UTC

I'm having the same problem. I have been stuck at 220-224 for about 4 weeks. I decided to do the fat fast for 3 days. I was 223.8lbs when I started and after 3 days of being in ketosis I was down to 218.2. I finally got over my weight loss plateau. I started looking around online and found an article that said peoples diet should consist of 50%-70% fat. Then I read an article where people said they lost weight quickly by eating 80% fat. I also read that eating too much protein could cause weight gain. I've reduced my protein to 100-120g a day and eat 80% fat. In the last week after losing weight on the 3 day fat fast I've gone from 218.2 to 224.4. I'm freaking out. Ketone sticks say I'm in ketosis. I'm now counting calories and I'm hungry. Should I just stick with the 80% fat diet and wait to adapt or quit while I'm ahead?

Elisa · Answer 8 · 2013-05-16 04:13:21Z UTC

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I'm gaining in ketosis, but am feeling stronger. I think I'll just use the extra energy to try to build muscles. Patience they say.

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Eliza · Answer 9 · 2013-05-21 02:05:54Z UTC

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I gained 10 pounds quickly, but then cut down on the calories a bit and added gelatin and have woken up 5 pounds lighter over night. I read this happened to someone else after trying gelatin at night.

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Sydney · Answer 10 · 2013-05-21 04:55:34Z UTC

For me, I've gained weight (just a little) but I have gotten a flatter stomach and more shapely, toned body. I never weigh myself anymore, I just go by what the mirror says.

If you were an average weight to begin with, you may end up gaining weight, but that doesn't mean that you are gaining fat.

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