We frequently hear about vegans/vegetarians converting to a paleo-like lifestyle. My question: has anyone ever heard of the opposite occurring?
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Hi Dan, At the risk of making myself rather un-popular, I'm one of them. Primal-veggie at your service. I was a vegetarian for about five years, primal for about one year, and I'm now veggie again. Is yours a leading question? Have you been considering going vegetarian or are you just curious to see who/why might have altered their eating habits this way? Cheers, Prudence X |
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I'm a seasonal eater -- so in past years, I've eaten a primarily vegetarian diet 3-4 months of the year (summer season here, where it's hot and where meat is still in the 'growing' phase and all the early spring 'cull' meat has been consumed). I find that it's completely in line with primal principles to eat according to both season and activity level. It's VERY hot here during the summer, and nobody moves much, except for the occasional dip in something watery, so we eat accordingly. I spent time as a vegan when I was younger, and it didn't really work out well for me -- but that doesn't mean that my body doesn't respond well to PERIODS of vegetarianism/veganism. It's a nice break from the heavy winter options. As I've mentioned in a couple of earlier posts/responses, I've had some issues towards the end of this past winter season, and I spoke with the neurologist that I've been working with for 4 years in managing my neurodegenerative congenital disorder -- I told him I was thinking about a couple of months of raw vegan to clean things up, and he thought it might just be what I need at this point to switch things around for the better... so there ya go. Maybe it doesn't have to be one or the other. |
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Castle Grok went vegan for a while after being paleo. Don Matesz also comes pretty close... There's a thread on 30bananasaday about this, but the only person who said they transitioned from paleo to vegan said they never tried it for a long time. She said she was thirsty and was constipated. Probably an excess of muscle meat, if you ask me. High protein does this to me. Please don't make me go back to 30bananasaday though :D! I have a hard time not creating an account and responding to all those weird threads! |
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Ex-Paleo here. I was lowcarb paleo (back when it was called Atkins... I was a "clean" atkins eater) and raised my carbs and did moderate carb paleo for 2yrs. I gained 50lbs and a host of health issues. I was also very outspoken in my low-carb dogma... and then paleo dogma. I read every book and studied nutrition like it was my JOB! I did not cheat and got tired of everyone telling me I just wasn't doing it right! I left quietly because I already knew how people would attack me. I left Facebook and went on living my own life. I have been Vegan for almost 4 months, mostly LFRV for about the last month. I have lost 14lbs and am in a heavy detox period, but I still feel SO much better than I have in the last 4yrs! I was unable to walk well due to inflammation and pain in my hip and that ceased about a month ago. I don't know how long I will stay raw, or if I will later settle into a high raw/vegan way of eating... but I do know that I will follow my own intuition now instead of any person, book, philosophy or guru. |
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People switch diets when their current regime fails them. The stories of people that failed on a vegan diet are legion. They didn't get the results they wanted, or they just didn't feel as healthy as they thought they should. Google "failed vegan diet" and you get pages of stories about people having problems with a vegan diet and eventually abandoning it. There doesn't seem to be that many examples of people failing on paleo and abandoning it. Google "failed paleo diet" and most of the stories are about people that failed at other diets, then finally found some success with paleo. Paleo, as a modern diet regime, is young compared to other diet regimes, so maybe it just hasn't had time to rack up the tons of failures other diet plans have. Or, maybe paleo works so effectively people don't abandon it for another plan. Only time will tell. But, you never see stories like this with paleo: http://voraciouseats.com/2010/11/19/a-vegan-no-more/ |
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never heard of it here anyway, cos that would just be stupid |
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Honestly I just don't know how I would get enough calories in going vegetarian? The only thing would be having to shovel down potatoes and I love eating low-carb, never felt so good in 30 years. Not sure how it works with protein consumption if you don't eat beans, legumes, soy. How do you get enough without resorting to supplements? |
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Hmmm... here is a link, about the opposite, but it may shed some light on your question: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2105132/Damn-low-fat-diet-How-reformed-vegan-John-Nicholson-gorges-foods-granny-enjoyed--felt-better.html |
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Don Matesz seems to be doing a good impression of one! |
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Depends on what you are talking about. Usually, paleo implies very open minded, self-correcting, recognizing everybody's different, non-dogmatic and etc. Militant vegan is usually the opposite. I doubt people can shift from this paleo mindset to the militant vegan mindset. Now, as a dietary choice is entirely possible. There are people whose bodies fit a higher carb, near-vegan diet. There are people who recognize the benefit of paleo diet but choose to go vegan for the animals. That's entirely possible. |
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I was a vegetarian for 13 years, even a vegan for a bit and tried being a raw foodie too (you have to eat WAY too much to maintain that). After we started raising our own animals I started eating them. My reasons for being vegetarian were mainly based on being opposed to factory-farming, use of antibiotics and hormones, etc. That said, even though i eat meat now, I probably don't eat near as much as someone who is very paleo. My husband has been out of the country for a couple weeks and I have managed to eat a piece of fish (local fish) and cooked a chicken, but left to my own devices I am still a veggie at heart. |
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Q: "We frequently hear about vegans/vegetarians converting to a paleo-like lifestyle. My question: has anyone ever heard of the opposite occurring?" ANSWER: YES. YES. MANY FORMER PALEOS ARE MOVING ONWARD TO VEGETARIANISM & VEGANISM There are perhaps an even larger amount of people who have renounced paleo, and gone on to vegetarianism or veganism instead. Usually they do this after learning that "The Paleo Diet" is not actually what paleolithic man actually ate at all (for example, grassfed angus beef isn't paleo, it was only genetically bred artificially by mankind in the 1800's, so Paleolithic caveman never ate it, so grassfed angus beef is not paleo and you can't say you're paleo if you eat it, but most paleos don't know it. yet. - And ladies, to be paleo, you'll need to introduce more Maggots into your meat dinners because stoneage man in the heat of the African sahara desert didn't have Stainless Steel fridges so the meat most-likely would be writing with magots, so to actually paleo you'll need to add more maggots into your dinners. Oh, and to be paleo, naturally you can't drink water from the tap in your house, you'll need to go OUTSIDE and drink out of an animal watering hole that animals bathed in, and perhaps with a few feces floating in it, because that's what our ancestors did for thousands of years. And no bottled water, of purified, or treated. So if you have a child, you'll want to obtain some pond water and feed that to your baby, or child, even though it may potentially give you, your family, or child cryptosporidia bacteria. But being 'paleo' you'll of course believe that it will not infect you because naturally you're "designed" for it, and you 'evolved' to eat paleo style meals which include cryptosporidia, botfly maggots, and feces. Because that's what a true paleo diet would consist of.) So when the few more scientifically-oriented people find out paleo is not based on facts or science, and is just a diet book, that's when they reject paleo and move to something more sound and based on medical science. However, those people who don't know this yet, usually still 'believe' in paleo and still argue for it and will even vehemently defend it as being 'true' and 'fact' and 'based on science', until they learn that it's not. Some may never learn and still 'fight' for it, but most will avoid it once they find out it's not factual. HERE is a notable example of a REFORMED PALEO DIETER renouncing the paleo diet and moving up to VEGETARIAN & VEGAN INSTEAD: LOOK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egqf7k5Lzhk + Also, you will now find large volumes of increasing search results now showing up all over the place with the words "PaleoVegan" or "Paleo Vegan", "Paleo Vegetarian" and "Paleo-Vegan", which are combined numbers of vegans now co-opting and taking over the word Paleo in order to improve on it and take it to the next stage, plus former reformed paleos who have moved on to a more scientifically robust plant-based diet instead. Before you respond or begin typing a reply, Watch the video. There's actually a few videos in the sequence. You should view it 1st before you make a reply so that you don't post something about paleo that's been debunked already. Actually you might want to view all 70, in case you are attempting to deny or debunk any of it. A reply without seeing it 1st will simply lack important information. - |
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