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I was talking to a friend about Leangains IF the other day and the question on calories came up (neither of us have the book). Have any of you followed the Leangains Protocol while eating Paleo...how did you go about doing it? What were your calorie intakes and macro ratios? I know Leangains is more high carb than most Paleo diets but it might suit me because I'm SO active.

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Been paleo since July, LG since October - good combination for fat loss, lost 10kg since October while retaining muscle mass.

I'm a male, 37, 74kg, 3 days RPT weight training, 4 days off, sedentary (office) work. Here's what has worked for several weeks for me: I'm currently on an LG cut, TDEE +10% cals on training days, -30% on off-days. On training days I take 300+ grams of carbs, on off-days it's 50g or so. 160g of protein per day (2.5 grams per 1 kg of LBM). Fat fills rest of calories for each day. Training days 2300 cals, off days 1450. I used to do +20/-20 (ie. recomposition), which worked well, too.

Although I do track all calories in, I don't get hung up on details, just making my rough weekly calories, and making sure my carbs are high on training days and low on off-days. I actually cycle proteins in similar cadence, but that's just because of the foods I eat, and I like to keep my fat relatively high on all days.

Many people on IF/LG use this calculator. I have my own spreadsheet, based on Andy Morgan's calculations found on rippedbody.jp - the numbers are more or less the same, but my spreadsheet has more flexibility.

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that calculator is AWESOME! do you follow his protocol exactly with the BCAA's and all?! – Hoover Mar 5 2012 at 1:03
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Oh, right, BCAAs. I do BCAA right before and after workout, and also added them after waking up and before going to bed when I went on a cut to protect my hardgained muscle mass. I don't count them as breaking a fast; other than that I only drink water during my fast. Yes, I'm very disciplined when it comes to following the protocol - the results speak for themselves, below 15% bf and still going, was at 24% a year ago. – Wisper Mar 5 2012 at 1:38
are you dong private consultation with Martin or are you just figuring all of this stuff out by reading his posts? – adam Mar 5 2012 at 2:21
Martin has gone Hollywood according to him, so I'm assuming that's a lot of money to get his attention. I do it all by myself, I'm not training to go to the olympics. – Wisper Mar 5 2012 at 9:32
Ive read his protocol multiple times, but I feel like Im missing something. I used the calculator and got my TDEE, macros, etc. but I feel like something is missing. How did you start the diet? Do you supplement? How long until you saw any changes in appearance/energy/appetite? – Hoover Mar 5 2012 at 12:49
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I have been doing IF and LeanGains for a while all Paleo. I didn't like going that high on carbs. I never found any benefit going over 150/200 grams carb wise and found it too hard to eat double the carbs of protein. I love eating meat. I have 100% of my carbs post workout meal then dinner is protein/fat. Made it much more do-able and satiating for me then shoving down rice/sweet potatoes all day. I do higher carbs 150ish on strength days and very low like 50 or less on off/cardio days. I keep protein pretty high at around 40-50% of calories and then fats make up the rest. So for example I might do 50% protein/35% carbs/ 15% fats on strength days. Then on off/rest/cardio days would do 50% protein/ 40% fats/ 10% carbs mainly from veggies or trace amounts. I put on 4lbs of muscle while dropping from around 12% bodyfat to single digits in a few weeks. Might be worth experimenting with higher carbs and lower protein but I just prefer to eat meat.

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I'm looking to do higher carb higher protein lower fat...i tried keto for 4 weeks and found it difficult to keep energy up. a whole sweet potato contains what...100 grams or so of carbs? i can eat sweet potato all day, so hopefully this high carb thing will work. Unfortunately, I have 28% BF so im nowhere near lean...despite my super strict diet AND super active life. :/ – Hoover Mar 5 2012 at 12:47
Yeah I'm not a big fan of Keto myself. I find myself feeling run down lethargic and flat feeling. I did try something called the Anabolic Diet which was 5 days a week of keto and then a carb refeed every weekend which was really good! But you do need carbs for sure. If your high bodyfat LeanGains probably isn't the best for you. I dont suggest people try IF or LG until they are around 10% bodyfat or so. I didn't start till I was at 12%. – Frank Sabia Jr Mar 6 2012 at 0:51
I have an update: been experimenting with HIGHER carbs and it has been going pretty well so far. Its been challenging keeping the carbs paleo but the effor has paid off. Have been mixing up paleo sweet potato pancakes with tasty results! If you don't want to do higher carbs during the week you can try a massive weekend carb refeed every couple weeks. I tried that 2 weeks ago and it worked great as well! – Frank Sabia Jr Mar 15 2012 at 7:15
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Anybody else get wicked diarrhea from this method? I find myself unloading a firehose of green and chunky discharge out my arse each morning and it is rather uncomforting. I think it has something to do with the refeed days but I'm not certain

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