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This is a bit of a loaded question, but I just watched these two very inspiring videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X38PCf7kao&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5nVqeVhgQE&feature=related

Each one argues quite convincingly that people who have the most success are those who will choose success and hard work over sleep if they must choose. Paleo argues we must regain sleep, but does this limit our ability to succeed?

If you knew you had to forgo sleep to succeed in life, would you do it?

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Well, I did. Between motherhood and a 40-year career I was no stranger to sleep deprivation. I may be an outlier, though, because I usually perform much better than average when sleep deprived judging by my results. And, for an "old bag," I'm pretty healthy. – Nance Apr 3 2012 at 2:07
By "performed" I mean I wasn't cross with people, didn't make mistakes, I prioritized my son's needs over bedtime, etc. – Nance Apr 3 2012 at 3:02

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It all depends on how you measure success.

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+1. some may measure success by how happy or content one is – daz Apr 3 2012 at 2:15
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Indeed. applause – Dragonfly Apr 3 2012 at 2:26
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Amen amen amen. – gydle Apr 3 2012 at 9:52
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My friend has worked 12-14 hours a day with little sleep and little time with his family. He has been very succesful. However he almost lost his life to it. He has not regained his health even a year later. Most will never have this dramatic issue however it will be very hard to have optimal health without sleep. – Eric Apr 3 2012 at 19:44
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The greatest mistake people make IMHO, is their estimation of the exchange rate between money and their time on this planet. – David Csonka Apr 4 2012 at 14:09
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I did forgo sleep for success. I was financially stable, attended all the "right" parties and events, with an impeccable reputation and stunning resume. Was I happy? No. NO.

Now I have a few little business and such that keep me busy in a nice way, am almost, but not really, financially stable, have time for my dog - brat would rather sleep than take 7 walks a day!, have a great lifting and CrossFit schedule, am healthy as hell except for a few little bumps in the road.

I truly go to sleep when I'm tired and have an internal clock that wakes me up each morning. Unless there's a time sensitive situation my alarm isn't on - so if I sleep through my usual creepy early morning time? That's cool.

By the way, a few years ago saying "that's cool" about sleeping in, I was so busy with work that even an hour off would set me back a week it seemed - 60-70 hours a week in the office + weekend remote office time + Blackberry at all hours + trying to play with my friends would have freaked me out. Now? Happiness. Time for everything.

Sleep: 3 hours 5 hours 10 hours - whatever floats your canoe and provides an optimal platform for you to enjoy as much as you can. Work has it's place but so does life.

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This is sound advice; I suppose I just view my idea of success a bit differently. For me, it isn't about money; it is about making a difference in the world. Sure, I could satisfy myself and my family on a very calm schedule, but would I leave the world a better place in a powerful enough way to have my life worth living? I am not sure. – Dualhammers Apr 3 2012 at 18:08
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Oh, I was doing that too. I literally ran myself into the ground trying to stay financially stable, have a career, have a social life, yet volunteering and such to counter all the work I was doing for The Man. Sometimes 200% isn't the right way. Now I have a template, flexible!, that encompasses everything, in the, almost, right amount. Sure there are some things lacking.. but I'll get there :) – jesuisjuba - paleorepublic.com Apr 3 2012 at 18:32
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I know this probably sounds overly simplistic, and a bit utopian, but I suspect the world in general might need a lot less saving if people were afforded the luxury of living in a system a bit less ambitious about commerce, and where sleeping and eating well were givens. – Happy Now Apr 3 2012 at 20:14
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Ditto, Happy Now. I think the world needs more leaving alone. Having "difference in the world" to me is a very strange goal as it is beyond your reach and in 2-4 generations after your death, no one will remember your name. Of course, this coming from someone who likes to sleep. – Karen P. Apr 3 2012 at 20:59
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Amen. Big fat easter amen. – malapert Apr 8 2012 at 7:49
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calorie restriction extends life in laboratory animals

moderation is the greek virtue which emphasizes everlasting satisfaction in life's necessary but potentially gluttonous aspects: food, sex, etc

it may also be the case that reducing sleep to maintain less overall dependence on sleep may have some similar affect.

the idea of hormesis using low level stressors is beyond scientifically valid it is everywhere as a method to make things stronger think lifting weights, wind current to strengthen the stocks of plants and "whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger" some have even suggested that antioxidants are actually toxins which turn on immune defenses and strengthen the body through hormesis (low level stressor) rather than a direct protective mechanism.

if hormesis applies to sleep then a low level stressor of less sleep will make you stronger and over sleeping will make you weaker.

without even considering hormesis too much sleep per day could just make you feel lazy because your spending less waking hours actively alive and newtown's inertia principle is all about how an object in motion tends to stay in motion too much sleep may reduce your daily momentum your inertia too little sleep could probably do the same.

if it is hormesis you would build up to it like weights sleep is pretty essential though and if your already doing a lot to stress out the body adding sleep deprivation to that level of stress may be counterproductive

however if you are adapted to your workout routine stress levels are steady and your doing good and you want to try and get a little edge cut out two hours of sleep and stay like this for a month see how you feel then come back here ask the question again do some research and keep a journal log post your results around keep it simple and good luck !

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ive had periods where i over sleep and it kills energy all day because its hard to get out of the draining affects its like the more you sleep the more you feel you need to sleep but it may not be optimal. check out sleep research there are many different styles of sleepign that people have experimented with different phasic cycles very interesting and another key fundamental area in life such as nutrition and exercise (opposite of sleep) that may be worth a hack. – Lucas Apr 3 2012 at 4:10
I think the sleep begetting more sleep thing can have to do with the offgassing of chemicals and fungi in mattresses. Brominated flame retardants when mixed with sweat and drool make some interesting neurotoxic compounds. Sleeping rooms are also usually dark, and if I don't get out to where there is light in the house, I can kind of go into hibernation mode and want to stay in bed all day. – Happy Now Apr 3 2012 at 20:17
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I tend to agree with that statement. However, despite the poor eating and sleeping habits, there are still enough driven people that some end up succeeding despite those problems. Then there are others who eventually saw the light, like Paul Jaminet. Imagine if he'd developed more serious health problems during his startup days?

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I'm firmly of the opinion in my own experimentation, that a healthy body needs less sleep than an unhealthy body. Pre-Paleo, I was doggedly tired throughout the day despite sleeping upwards of 10 hours a night, and pounding coffee/energy drinks.

I now sleep between 6.5-7 hours a night, and maybe once a week have a hankering for a caffeinated beverage if I'm stuck at a desk all day. If I'm lucky enough to get out to take my afternoon walk, I won't need the beverage.

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I'm definitely sleeping fewer hours since regaining my health. I've dropped from 8-10 to 6-7. – Nance Apr 3 2012 at 19:47
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Could be that slightly less time in bed results in less brain fog from mattress off-gassing, so those folks are sharper at work, and get more promotions.

It could also be one of those correlation doesn't equal causation conundrums, with busy-body types not needing as much sleep because they are naturally more amped up and involved in their work.

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This. I think you're either one of those types or you ain't. I ain't. – Karen P. Apr 3 2012 at 21:01
Yeah, I agree with Karen on the "type" thing. My boyfriend can spend all night being so excited scrawling equations all over the sliding glass door, then bound out in the morning to go learn all the things. Me on the other hand, if I'm not in bed by 11pm, headaches for the whole next day. Some people just be energetic and like that, others be not. – JeJ Apr 8 2012 at 3:07
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Well, I am happier even if I am not more successful (although, I guess I'm pretty successful, job of a lifetime, great family, and more money than I need). But I think success can still happen with plenty of sleep, the key is focus. If you have a focused life, where you cut away all the cruft, you can have plenty of time to get the things done that you need to get done and you will enjoy them more because you are working on them in a focused manner (i.e. in a state of flow). I find being focused and having less time really helps me be more productive because it clarifies what is essential vs. what is junk.

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I think a passion for anything will lead to success, but what I am mostly seeing is either an obsession with work, or such deep boredom.

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I was diagnosed with a sleep disorder about a year ago. This led me to read extensively about sleep. There is sound research (David Dinges at Penn is a specialist on the subject) indicating that chronic sleep deprivation, even in small amounts, impairs performance but the sleep-deprived subjects are unable to perceive their impairment and believe they are just fine. http://web2.med.upenn.edu/uep/user_documents/VanDongen_etal_Sleep_26_2_2003.pdf

With treatment, and logging a consistent 7 hours of good sleep per night now, I am healthier, stronger, happier, and more productive than I was when I was sleep-deprived. I deplore the mentality that believes that sleep is an indulgence minimized by Serious People.

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