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Jimmy Moore just posted his blood sugar results from a week of introducing sweet potato into his diet: http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/jimmy-moores-n1-experiments-safe-starch-sweet-potato/13976

What are your thoughts on his methodology and results?

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Jimmy needs to accept that he is on the verge of T2D, with severe metabolic syndrome. He's in a different world and can't eat like "unbroken" people. Ever.Again. Jimmy also needs to count calories. He seems to eat about 2500 a day, which is clearly too much for him. He should try dropping to 2200, then to 2000. He needs to skip the sausages & cheeses and eat unprocessed meats. He needs to watch his morning fasting glucose. It should be <86 but he's lucky if it's <99. This should be a huge warning to him. He needs to get this issue under control first, like yesterday. Then worry about the rest! – Wowza Apr 16 2012 at 2:35
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I hate his blog layout so much. It looks terrible. – peter Apr 16 2012 at 2:44
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wowza, I agree that he prolly takes in more calories than either he needs or thinks. I think he's under the belief that calories don't matter. – ben61820 Apr 16 2012 at 12:38
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What's the big deal with Jimmy Moore anyway? doesn't get it – Matt Apr 16 2012 at 21:47
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You will not believe how fast some people will get on the new bandwagon. Now the hottest thang is to parrot Richard Nikolei's new observation: "calories in/calories out" is NOW IN! Look, I've tracked my calorie consumption very carefully during my ketognic days and I calculated a "metabolic advantage" of around 300-500 cals when doing low carb. That range increases the lower your carb consumption is - just look at T1 diabetics who don't secrete much insulin. Food reward and carb/insulin theory of obesity aren't mutually exclusive, like many of you think. The two actually overlap. – Namby Pamby Apr 17 2012 at 3:57
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Coincidentally I've just carried out an N=1 experiment to test the effects of prime rib on my blood sugar levels. After consuming 2 ribs w/ 1 tbsp of butter and 50g of fruity pebbles I was shocked to see my blood sugars rise. It seems meat is terrible for my metabolism...

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This is special: mocking a 300-pound, formerly 400-pound man with a long history of metabolic syndrome for worrying about his blood glucose. I'm beginning to understand the contempt some people express for this place. – Rose Apr 17 2012 at 1:38
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I'm pretty sure bensix is mocking the adding of honey and stevia to the sweet potato, not the concern about the blood glucose. – Anthony Apr 17 2012 at 1:57
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Thanks, yeah, I see that, and if I were his adviser I'd say drop the honey and stevia. But I'd also say drop the sweet potato; all three of those things together would be the fruity pebbles, if it were my analogy, lol. Is the meat supposed to == the sweet potato here? On what known basis? Feh. Strange neo-Paleo world. – Rose Apr 17 2012 at 2:06
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No, I wasn't making of Moore's predicament. (I've got a lot of sympathy for him on the front.) But I am making light of, thus to shed light on, his methods. If you want to test the effects of a particular food you eat that particular food. And, besides, sweet potatoes don't need sweetening. I'm not even low carb and they taste like dessert in tuber form. – bensix Apr 17 2012 at 11:16
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Bensix, I think I owe you an apology. I was extremely grumpy the other day; the constant bagging on JM (and other "big losers" who didn't arrive at golden god physiques after years of effort) gets under my skin, and I over-interpreted, and over-reacted to, your comment. My apologies to you. – Rose Apr 18 2012 at 13:37
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Well, he says it himself, "What does it mean for YOU? Really, it doesn’t mean anything about how YOUR body will respond to sweet potatoes." Good for him for finally being open-minded to trying to incorporate starches since what he has been doing hasn't been working. I do agree with his point about eating protein/fat with the starch to prohibit a blood sugar spike... But isn't that common knowledge?

Honestly, what really irked me is that he added honey to a sweet potato the first couple times and then decided to replace honey with stevia. This isn't a question about whether or not I agree with honey/stevia (I don't, but that's me) but why add it to a sweet potato??! As a lover of the little orange tubers, I just don't get it.

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I can perfectly believe that some guys can eat sweet potatoes with honey butter, no problem. Jimmy absolutely cannot, and he should know that already. I luv da guy, and he needs to act on his knowledge - he says he knows he's broken, but doesn't take any action to remedy. He's gotta do what he knows he should and end his denial. – Wowza Apr 16 2012 at 2:41
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That was my first thought too, a whole tablespoon of honey on ~3oz of sweet potato?! Really? That would be too sweet for me and I'm not even diabetic. It makes me wonder what he's still eating that gives him such a sweet tooth. – Violet Apr 16 2012 at 6:11
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By the way he set it up it seems like he wanted it to fail and he was surprised when it didn't. He's had experts on his show tell him that people on long term VLC diets have adaptive insulin resistance so he starts out his "safe-starches" experiment by adding 17g of sugar from honey to the 18.5g from the sweet potato?! Maybe it's been too long since he's seen apples and oranges. Notice by the end his morning blood sugar is back to where it was when he started; I'd call that a success. – Violet Apr 16 2012 at 6:12
Ya think Violet? ;-) At least this time he didn't just add buttered bread and sweet potato fries at random. – Evelyn aka CarbSane Apr 16 2012 at 9:46
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violet, very good point. His wording throughout, and the set-up of the project do all point to "set up to fail." – ben61820 Apr 16 2012 at 12:44
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I'm glad Jimmmy posted his n=1, particularly with photos, because I realized 3 things:

  • I am exactly like Jimmy with regard to appetite control/binge impulse issues
  • My SAD binges were exactly like Jimmy's, with 2-liters of Coke daily and chips, cakes, etc.
  • At present, I couldn't eat more differently than Jimmy if I tried

My current food mix is about 70% raw greens, vegetables and fruit, supplemented with modest portions of cooked meat, vegetables and yogurt/water kefir. My blood glucose is fine, my digestion is terrific and my weight is completely in my control.

Jimmy's meal photos didn't look like food to me and that was a revelation.

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Yeah, Nance, but were you ever morbidly obese like Jimmy? We're not talking about a run of the mill obese person here but an outlier even among obese people. Jimmy used to drink 16 cans of cola daily. I don't think you did that. – Namby Pamby Apr 17 2012 at 22:39
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@NambyPamby, sadly that's a "sort of." I routinely drank a 2-liter or more of Coke per day and on many occasions I ate until I couldn't physically swallow because my esophagus was full of food. Not good times. My first down in the cycle of yo-yos was only 50 lbs but each peak was higher and if I reach my desired weight later this year I will have dropped an estimated 80-90 pounds. I've already lost more than 6" from my waist, yet I am still obese and it will take about another 4-5" to approach a good permanent size. Maybe more. I'm currently resting but will begin my final campaign in 2 weeks. – Nance Apr 18 2012 at 1:32
Well done Nance. Namby, Jimmy is such a victim!! he lost weight previously on low fat and can do it again if he gets real. – Sue Apr 18 2012 at 7:06
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Well, that's my point. If you suffer from food addiction to the extent Jimmy does, you'll have a real problem integrating safe starches to your diet. A combination of palatability and insulin-driven hunger will make you eating all day -- trust me, yams and sweet potatoes can become palatable enough to be addictive, when combined with the insulin load. I reached my upper limit with safe starches and Jimmy already has. – Namby Pamby Apr 18 2012 at 14:51
@NambyPamby, perhaps, but MY point is that he's still eating SAD-replicating meals. If I did that I would've regained all my lost weight already. I'm not eating that way--I'm actually following the radical "eat plain, whole foods" concept--and my results are diametrically opposed to his. So, either he should admit he's okay with the status quo or he should stop expecting to get different results while basically doing the same things. (stepping off soapbox) – Nance Apr 18 2012 at 15:39
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Half a sweet potato + 3T butter.

What a joke.

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There are those of us who lost substantial amounts of weight eating high fat. For me, the joke is the sweet potato. Mileage varies. – Rose Apr 16 2012 at 4:52
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VLC has seemed to stop working for Jimmy (which is the whole point of the n=1) and his attempt at safe starches was half-assed at best when 50g is recommended as the minimum. Mileage does indeed vary. – Violet Apr 16 2012 at 6:29
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Not to get all Occam's Razor here, but those pictures say it all: TWO grease-laden bratwurst, 3T of butter, in excess (probably) of 2,000 calories a day, and the most stunningly obvious conclusion continually evades Mr. Moore. To wit: too much eating and not enough moving! – Erika Apr 16 2012 at 7:10
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Rose, the point wasn't weight loss with high fat, it was that if he's testing safe starches, 1/2 a potato drowned in 3T butter doesn't cut it. Also, in case you missed it, he's now over 300 lbs so he's added about 15-20 lbs since going paleo baayyybeeee. Clearly ad libitum VLC is not working for Jimmy and hasn't been for years now. – Evelyn aka CarbSane Apr 16 2012 at 9:43
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Just so I'm understanding the contention here, are you saying that it's the butter that raised his BG? Forget about the two pound "gain" -- I can "gain" and "lose" that much on a rainy day -- I mean the BG spikes, and elevated morning BG. Y'all are saying that's due to the butter? – Rose Apr 17 2012 at 1:13
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Jimmy, please redo your N=1, but this time control for the carb content. It's great if you want to to test the starches, but adding sweeteners confounds your data. Leave the sweeteners off. And yes, also eat non-processed meat, which also tend to contain sweeteners. Glad you're doing these experiments. We can all learn from it.

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i agree - honey on sweet potatoes!? What do you think your BS is going to do? – ben61820 Apr 16 2012 at 12:38
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Jimmy really is the king of denial. I too wonder what he is really eating when a sweet potato without honey or stevia is just not sweet enough.

It irritates me how people are so addicted to the taste of sweet that they are unable to enjoy things that are naturally sweet without adding a bunch of extra sugar to it.

I went to lunch one day and ordered the sweet potato fries not realizing they would come with sugar on them. Seriously, who does that. Now if I do order sweet potato fries when I eat out I check and make sure they do not add sugar.

When I cook sweet potato fries at home I use olive oil and salt. They taste plenty sweet to me.

Anyway Jimmy Moore is now up to 300 pounds and his weight shows no signs of stopping. He no longer posts his menus so who can say what he is eating.

I just can't believe that all the low carb and weight loss experts he has access to and consulted and not one has been able to help him or solve his problem.

So one can conclude that either Jimmy is not telling the truth to the experts when he tries to get help or the experts really have no clue about anything and sometimes their plans work and for those who it does not work for then it's just too bad.

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Amen. It irks me too see people adding tablespoons of honey and sugar to sweet potatos. Shit, I find a regular sweet potato too sweet. – ROB Apr 16 2012 at 22:27
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What does 'metabolic derangement' mean anyway? Until that term can be precisely defined and quantified, it will remain Jimmy-speak (and others) for, 'Dang it! I don't know why I can't eat as much as I want as long as it's low carb and still lose weight'. As was pretty obvious when he first posted his 'low carb paleo' meal pics last summer, the issue appears to be one of portion size (hence calories). The 'paleo lemon bars' that shortly followed were hardly surprising. He's obsessed with sweet (remember those Da Vinci Syrup-and-whipped-cream concoctions from back when he actually posted menus?) and refuses to relinquish the idea that weight loss might actually entail a degree of deprivation. Dr. Kurt Harris was dead-on right in his advice about what should be done to counter all this Livin La Vida Nonsense. And if anyone wonders where the derision comes from, I suggest asking the (no doubt) hundreds of well-intentioned commenters who've been summarily banned from his forum and sites. All in the interest of free and open expression of ideas, I'm sure.

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I've actually seen that term used in peer review studies. Derangement is real -- out of whack lipids, glucose, etc., inappropriate response to dietary intake. In the case of most obese, it's the obesity/caloric surplus that causes the derangement not the other way around. Jimmy is trying to excuse his weight with a "damaged metabolism" -- that somehow he did too much damage shoving boxes of Little Debbies down his throat in his 20's. But if his metabolism was damaged, how did he lose 170+ pounds not once, but twice after all the damage?? That's a "gotcha" right there. – Evelyn aka CarbSane Apr 17 2012 at 12:08
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So I asked Jimmy on G+ why he needs sweetener and so much added fat, this is his response -

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So much sweetener? I used just a tiny amount of stevia to bring out the flavor of the sweet potato. Personal preference. As for the fat, I was told to consume it with lots of fat to minimize the blood sugar impact. And so I did. My experiment without the fat in the last day confirmed it was a wise choice.

I have now un-followed him as I think he is delusional.

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Lol... I wonder what flavor stevia brings out. It must be that just-dug-out-of-the-ground-doused-with-sugar-and-drowned-in-butter flavor that I'm missing out on. Ditto on the delusions. – Susan Apr 17 2012 at 2:40
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Sweet potatoes require stevia to 'bring out the flavor'? Huh? And I thought low carbers were supposed to be beyond all this fixation on sweet. – Erika Apr 17 2012 at 3:11
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When will people realize that a safe starch diet doesn't work for everyone, just like a ketogenic VLC diet doesn't work for many. I don't know who talked Jimmy into trying a safe-starch experiment, and he's indulging us graciously like only he can. But this diet isn't gonna work for him: not because he's not implementing it correctly (butter, honet, etc.) but because his metabolism isn't suited for safe starches.

Jimmy is metabolically deranged, though he may not be diabetic. I've met plenty of metabolically deranged yet nondiabetic obese people at my gym to know that their only chance is with a VLC diet. Yes, I'm aware of those who followed VLC/Atkins diets and later swithced to higher carb/PHD diets and felt much better and even lost more weight: I'm one of them. But I was never morbidly obese; at my worst only slightly obese.

Those who benefit from safe starch diets tend to be mostly normal metabolically, or in some cases, metabolically deranged slightly. Someone who used to weigh 400 lbs. and now is at 300 lbs. isn't suited for a safe starch experiment, especially not when his weight is creeping back up.

Polymorphism rules and we can easily understand if we just look at the genetic diversity even among our closely related people: ApoE genes will dictate how you respond to carbs or fat in serum cholesterol. Just because your diet worked doesn't mean it will work for Jimmy. And vice versa.

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Define the biological meaning of 'metabolically deranged'. – JRAC Apr 17 2012 at 7:11
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Actually, given as he didn't even adapt to the dietary change before testing, Jimmy's results -- as they always seem to -- indicate he's not intolerant to carbs. He has gained 20+ pounds now in 2012 eating his paleo high fat mod protein low carb diet. – Evelyn aka CarbSane Apr 17 2012 at 12:10
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I think he's just deranged. Deranged in thinking that calories don't count. Deranged in thinking eating sweet potato + honey + gobs of fat is an accurate way to "test safe starches". Deranged in thinking that spinach is a confounder. Deranged in thinking that cardiovascular exercise is harmful. He doesn't need to change his diet as much as he needs to change his thinking. – Andy Apr 17 2012 at 13:02
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It doesn't really matter what the starches are going to do its the way he eats - 3 tablespoons of butter on half a sweet potato???? Talk about unnecessarily adding to the calorie count which matters for weight loss.

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With the amount of butter he has literally added another meal of 405 calories (presuming tablespoons are 15mL). – Sue Apr 17 2012 at 2:20
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But but but butter is low carb! Heh. – Susan Apr 17 2012 at 2:41
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But that's exactly the problem, Sue - he doesn't think calories matter for weight loss. It all comes back to Taubes and the CIH. What I wonder is how close he'll have to get to his original weight before finally ditching this ill-advised hypothesis. The whole endeavor is anti-science in the extreme - i.e., forging ahead stubbornly in the face of all empirical evidence to the contrary. Jimmy Moore's 'low carb paleo' is clearly (in Kurt Harris' words) the Deepak Chopra wing of the movement. And this guy still matters? Go figure. – Erika Apr 17 2012 at 3:09
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I'd like to see him give an egg, chicken breast, sweet potato and green vegetable diet a go. Nothing else added besides maybe a little cottage cheese. Sure, it doesn't sound very gimmicky but it works.

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Even when Jimmy did his eggfast, it should probably have been called a butter fast as his calories from butter were higher percentage than from the eggs. I also remember when he added some veggies back in to the beef/CO diet it was mashed cauli with butter. I asked and it was like 1/4c cauli with 2T butter. Ummm ... and it's the veggies that are stalling losses/causing gain?? Same can be seen in his pics of salads in bygone years -- swimming in Ranch is his usual preference. – Evelyn aka CarbSane Apr 17 2012 at 12:04
That is completely ridiculous! Has this man no sense of cause and effect?! Did he really think spinach would confound this experiment but the honey would not? Jimmy's cognitive dissonance and mental Olympics rivals that of hard-core vegans. – Violet Apr 17 2012 at 23:46
It's like he just doesn't see butter for the high calorie condiment that it is. All these years of interviewing these low carb 'gurus' has left him believing calories are irrelevant. A few heaped spoons of butter provides about the same calories nearly a pound of potatoes. Instead of recklessly drowning his food in butter to make it palatable a glob of cottage cheese could probably do the trick. You don't need up to 70% of your meal calories coming from fat to experience the satiety effects or to somewhat blunt the blood sugar response. – James Apr 19 2012 at 1:07
Also, has he considered it a failure and decided against consuming starch or is he going to keep adding potatoes until his body adjusts? I know it took me about 3 weeks to adjust from adding starch and I was only VLC for about 10 months. – James Apr 19 2012 at 1:35
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There's so much to say about all this one hardly knows where to begin. I'm sure Evelyn will get around to saying most of it (and God bless her for it). It is good, however, to see this n=1 stuff return - but no Quest Bars? Hmm. Might that be because sweet potatoes aren't a valued sponsor on LLVLC? Nah, that would be me being divisive and mean. Gotta love Jimmy.

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I posted a question last nite as a guest and guess what. It wasn't added to the discussion. It was a good question about Mr. Moore's health practices and was ignored. I listen to Jimmy with a large grain of salt these days.

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I had a similar experience with his Calories 101 show: tinyurl.com/7xjjnz4 I asked if protein restriction for longevity was legit and about the paradoxes of the CIH such as fruitarians/Kitavans and healthy people experiencing side-effects on LC. His response: "Can you stick to the topic of calories with your questions? These are great questions, but not on the subject we're discussing with Mat this week." Last time I checked protein and carbs were both calories! Fortunately Mat answered both of these questions (quite eloquently) yet Jimmy seems to ignore the implications. – Violet Apr 16 2012 at 18:27
I commented using my Disqus login pointing a link to this thread and it was approved just fine. – Dracil Apr 16 2012 at 18:39
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Jimmy's still popular enough to have a comment count over 100 while undoubtedly screening out all but the most innocuous dissent. He's been at that for a while now so many don't bother trying anymore. But unfortunately newbies are bound to land on his blog and reading comments -- especially by "experts" -- presents a very skewed version of the state of carbs in nutrition. That he'll be moderating the safe starches debate at AHS12 is a total joke. Not to mention the makeup of the panel is 2.5:1 against Paul -- the 0.5 is Quiltie – Evelyn aka CarbSane Apr 17 2012 at 12:15
That was my thought on his safe-starch "debate" too. It sounds more like a stacked pseudo-scientific lynch-mob/witch-hunt. I would feel sorry for Paul, but a debate is not a popularity contest and it gives him the opportunity to finally put this dogma to rest. It is deeply concerning that anyone new to paleo has to wade through this simplistic Taubesian garbage that promotes eating disorders just as much as mainstream nutritionism. Jimmy continually downplays the advice of the only experts on show worth their weight in salt and quickly replaces them with denialist quacks that fit his paradigm. – Violet Apr 17 2012 at 20:38
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What if he were to stop dieting for weight loss and instead try to heal his deranged organs with diet and supplements. Clearly his liver, kidneys and pancreas are compromised--and until they are functioning properly no amount of calorie restriction, low carbing, diet hacking is going to help his overall health. He sounds like such a sad guy.

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Vivian, two years ago several of us tried to advise Jimmy to do just that: stop dieting for weight loss. He was in the 265-275 range at the time. He eventually did stop dieting for weight loss sometime around March of last year and has been piling on the pounds ever since. He's gained 55 lbs since. His n=1 show that despite all the abuse, his organs are functioning pretty darned well though I suspect his liver is quite fatty at the moment. – Evelyn aka CarbSane May 15 2012 at 13:14
Stop dieting? Jimmy's gaining - he needs to diet more. And accept his illness - he legitimately needs metformin. It's that simple. If you're as sick as Jimmy, diet isn't enough. – GurlzLuvSteak May 15 2012 at 15:27

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