Both my kids have diarrhea and I gave them both raw milk for the first time a few days ago. Obviously there are so many factors that could be the cause, but I wonder if this is common? They both have had pasteurized milk many times with no problems. This is the 3rd day I have given it to them, the first few days they were fine, no problems. One is 3 the other is a year old. The milk is not expired and we keep it in the fridge. We also heat the bottles up to about 90 degrees before giving them the milk.
It could be anything from a stomach bug to something else they ate as well. My husband and I have both eaten everything they have with no problems. We haven't given them anything new, other than the raw milk. The only other thing I can think of is the bone broth I made on Monday, I gave to them last night. I read it stays good for a week in the fridge, but maybe only a few days. My husband and I as well as our dogs ate the broth as well with no problems..
Any thoughts/ advice would be great!!
I've bought local raw milk from a health foods store down here and was sick for 5 weeks. GI doc said I had a fairly severe intestinal bug, but as I finally swallowed my pride and went to the doc (I was young and stubborn) it was near the end of the illness, I didn't bother with the fecal tests.
This isn't a slam on raw dairy, as I've had plenty of raw milk foods since, but only from the farm and never purchased from a store...
Chris Kresser wrote a nice post on raw milk buying guidelines http://chriskresser.com/raw-milk-reality-buying-raw-milk-safely
Free Guide Raw Milk Guide http://www.traditional-foods.com/resources/Buyers-Guide.pdf
The best article on raw milk I've seen so far! http://chriskresser.com/raw-milk-reality-is-raw-milk-dangerous
The Raw Milk Revolution: Behind America's Emerging Battle Over Food Rights by David E. Gumpert and Joel F. Salatin
The Untold Story of Milk, Revised and Updated: The History, Politics and Science of Nature's Perfect Food: Raw Milk from Pasture-Fed Cows by Dr. Ron Schmid, ND
*The Raw Truth About Mil*k by Dr. William Campbell Douglass II, MD
I used to be terrified of raw milk until November 2011 when I started to drink it regularly.
Background: My mother was unable to nurse me due to severe medical issues, and cow's milk was hard to digest, so my first food was goat's milk. I drank pasteurized cow dairy later (sadly mostly low fat) products from an early age until age 26 and suffered gas. From age 11-26, I had acne which showed no improvement on various creams and antibiotics (now know the worst choice). Doctors said it "couldn't be dietary!"
At age 26,I self-diagnosed myself with lactose intolerance and switched to almond milk and using Lactaid (lactase enzyme supplement) for the occasional dairy. My acne disappeared and friends and family noticed. I never had issues with butter so ate it my entire life because all fake butters and margarines disgusted me.
I started low-carb reducing grains at age 31, then Paleo at age 32. My eczema went away on Paleo. 1 month after dairy elimination while supporting my husband on Paleo (he was going through a very rough time with gluten and autoimmune issues), we both reintroduced dairy - this time 100% whole pastured grass-fed but pasteurized. We had no issues with any amount of heavy cream, butter, and ghee. Other dairy products such as sour cream, cheese and yogurt no more then 1 serving a day would be fine but any more amounts of these products caused slight acne.
After the Weston Price Foundation conference meeting nearly 1000+ people consuming raw dairy their entire life extolling it's virtues, reading the literature, and visiting the raw dairy farms we decided n=1000 was too big to ignore. We realized raw milk was more natural then almond milk.
We have been consuming raw pastured whole fat grass-fed butter, heavy cream, milk, cheese, yogurt, sour cream, egg nog, creme fraiche (NOT all in 1 day) with NO symptoms - in fact we feel better then ever! We slowly increased the quantity to about 4 servings a day - we've never eaten that much dairy, and I don't think we would consume more because it's too filling and satiating.
Unlike in the past, as a child when I ate processed ice cream and felt addicted (perhaps opiate receptors, sugar, and gluten), the raw dairy I don't feel addicted to it. Whether I have 1-3 servings a day, I don't want anymore. When we travel and limit dairy (because it's pasteurized) we miss 2 things the most - raw dairy and fermented veggies!
We learned a lot WAPF, and Natasha Campbell-McBride whose GAPS diet is quite similar to Paleo recommending reintroducing raw dairy in small amounts once the gut was sealed and healed. We have come to believe the more probiotic species the better for the immune system and the best way to collect a wide variety is through raw dairy since fermented vegetables don't have that diversity. Even here on PH, kefir is acknowledged to have the most species! http://paleohacks.com/questions/73151/which-has-a-greater-number-of-species-and-quantity-of-probiotics-fermented-vegg#axzz1m8YbEQOt
Since raw dairy helps with allergies, which is an overreaction of the immune system - perhaps it might help with autoimmune issues too?
I don't have any specific advice but my answer to the posted question is "YES" it could be the raw milk. I'm not a huge milk fan generally and I'm not sure I totally buy the Raw thing. It's not that I think that pasteurized is great stuff, I don't, but it's worth noting that "This milk like our grandma drank" isn't, not really. In the case of my grandma my dad went and milked the cow himself before it was poured over 3 day old bread with a spoon of white sugar. I'm not sure how many people are getting milk anywhere near that fresh.
It may be the milk, but it seems more likely that it was the bone broth.
First, a few people take some adjustments to raw milk, because of the additional enzymes and bacteria. Do you wat other fermented foods? Secondly, it could be "die off" from the additional good probiotics and bacteria. My raw milk stays good for about 7 days in the fridge.
Bone broth can sometimes stay good for a week, provided the fridge is cold enough, and the "fat cap" on top is sealed. I always make sure to bring broth to a boil for three minutes before cooking with it or serving it.
Lastly, check the temperaturem of your fridge. I once found my food going bad quicker, and realized the temperature was 50 degrees!
Just curious... do you live in the Portland area? There are many people sick from e.coli from a raw milk farm here (Foundation Farm). Google "raw milk" and "clackamas" and you will find many articles.
Also, I used to drink raw milk and my understanding was that if you are a newbie to the milk and your gut isn't used to the new bacteria it is quite easy to begin with some mild digestion distress. We stopped drinking it after 6 months or so because we just decided the risk/health benefit for our children wasn't worth it. And I'm so glad we made that decision because this is the farm we purchased from.
To be safe, I would encourage you to go to your physician. You DO NOT want your kids to go down the path the kids here in Portland are going down (possible kidney transplants, dialysis).
Good luck to you.
I am glad your kids feel better.Don't be scared of the raw milk.It will strengthen your kids' immune systems since it introduces all kinds of good and not so good bacteria into their guts.And that's where good immunity starts.I've been giving my son raw milk since he was 1 and he's never had diarhhea.The possibility of getting e coli is greater from pasteurized milk as it is dead and has no good guys to fight the bad,so they proliferate faster and stronger.Not so much with raw milk.Just don't think about it and buy it every week as if it is regular milk.Also the standards for contamination for raw milk are so high,that chances it would be contaminated are slim