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I'm going out of town for a bit, and this situation may come up at some point. Assuming I don't stock up on jerky beforehand, the carbs vs not-eating decision will be interesting to handle. I do fine with wheat, but cheating begets more cheating. Have you had this type of situation? How have you handled it?

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Is spaghetti the only option...? – Mark Sep 29 2010 at 1:57
"Spaghetti" here is a metaphor for non-paleo foods :) – Kamal Sep 29 2010 at 2:06
The larger issue is that I have quite a few vegan friends, and some members of my family only eat spicy vegetarian fare. Thus far I've tried a few options: eaten some beef sticks beforehand, fasted a while, sampled the nonpaleo fare. Each has been okay, but I'm curious how other people handle these situations. – Kamal Sep 29 2010 at 2:08
usually when I know I will be in such a situation, I just do a monster workout the day before, and dont eat much after.. i dont feel as guilty eating spaghetti the next day – Payam Sep 29 2010 at 3:13
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Workouts don't protect your gut, it's not about carbs – Stephen-Aegis Sep 29 2010 at 4:12
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I would fast the 24hours. Just answering the question to it's literal phrasing. Typically it is easy enough to find Paleo-acceptable foods in a social situation, just skip grains, veggie/seed oils and refined sugars. In my view,Paleo is NOT about carb avoidance, cut about avoiding those bad agents above.

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Dude, do you really think eating a bowl of spaghetti is poisoning yourself? Especially if you have never felt acute effects from gluten before? I like to fast because it makes me feel badass, but one bowl of spaghetti isn't so bad for many people. – Kamal Sep 29 2010 at 2:40
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The dangers of cigarettes are much better understood than the dangers of a bowl of spaghetti. I don't think they quite compare. We just don't know exactly happens with gluten in most people. – Eva Sep 29 2010 at 3:53
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And while I would typically fast, I am 100% okay gambling on a rare but delicious bowl of spaghetti or having a very occasional beer (which also dissolves DHA in my brain cells in addition to destroying my villi). The reason is that humans are quite adaptable to small amounts of not-optimal substances, and I'm human. – Kamal Sep 29 2010 at 4:50
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@Kamal: Most of us feel that cereal grains are not simply health-neutral, but actually unhealthy. From the above discussion, you obviously do not feel that way. So why ask the question? Just go eat your metaphorical spaghetti. – Mark Sep 29 2010 at 11:52
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Agree with Marks comment. Why ask questions if you already know your answer? – Pieter D Sep 29 2010 at 12:06
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Yes! While I lived in Italy this past summer, I very rarely had the opportunity to choose what I ate for dinner. The family I lived with knew I was "allergic" to wheat, thank goodness, but they still made foods such as polenta, green peas, potatoes, etc. And risotto, despite it still containing gluten, and also processed meats. At first it made me feel incredibly guilty, and I was worried about any negative effects I would feel, but after a few weeks of having these occasional dinners, and not suffering any noticeable side effects other than increased appetite, I accepted their place in my life. Especially since I knew that it was for a very specific time period. If I were you, I would first try and have just the sauce. And if that's impossible, then include just a little bit of the pasta. I started out having very small high carb dinners, and then let myself have larger ones later on as I adjusted to having them in my life.
Also, if I felt that my blood sugar was spiking too high, I would then go munch on some almonds that I kept stashed in my room. I don't know if you have the ability to supplement with other foods, but I found this to be quite helpful, too.

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Mmm polenta...I love that stuff. – Bread-Eating Beelzebub Sep 29 2010 at 2:11
Wow, what an applicable answer! – Kamal Sep 29 2010 at 2:15
I read that arborio rice (for risotto) was gluten-free: ehow.com/about_4572242_is-risotto-glutenfree.html – ricechek Sep 29 2010 at 23:43
Risotto has gluten in it? – citrusfire Dec 30 2011 at 16:58
i don't think rice has gluten... – meret Dec 30 2011 at 17:09
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I'd probably just try to stick with rice and potatoes as the starches. I do the same when cooking for others. I don't want to feed them super unhealthy things, but most nonpaleos are not satisfied without some starch. So fried rice and a baked potato with butter is my way of walking the middle road. But if they want margarine, they'll have to bring their own cuz that stuff's gross!

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This is what I do if I have friends that won't eat meat and want more than just green veg – Stephen-Aegis Sep 29 2010 at 9:11
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My mother-in-law served us pasta just last week (she knows i don't typically eat it, but she is 73 and forgot i guess) and I ate it without complaint, hesitation or regret.

This is easy for me to say, as I have no symptoms when I eat wheat. I just choose to avoid it because of what I believe it will do to me long-term.

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Forget that! Fasting is good for you. Wheatfeels like somebody trying to shave the micro villi in my GI tract.

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Luckily (unluckily?) wheat makes me feel like a million dollars. But my Indian ancestors probably ate a lot more wheat than yours, I'm guessing. On the other hand, lactose feels like a dirty bomb going off in my intestines. Actually, that is literally true. – Kamal Sep 29 2010 at 17:32
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This is lucky that you don't get the extreme stomach pain. Regardless of ancestry is is terrible for you since there is no genetic adaptation to WGA, or gliadin, only gluten as a whole. It makes you feel good because it is literally a drug drbganimalpharm.blogspot.com/2008/05/… – Stabby Sep 29 2010 at 19:12
Yeah, that's why I don't eat grains more than once in a blue moon. But the "grain opioid" thing is probably quite overblown. Plant-derived anti-nociceptive activity is typically way below that needed to get a noticable effect. From my n=1 experience, eating wheat versus not eating wheat had no effect on pain or euphoria while on different levels of opioids (ranging from nothing to codein to vicodin to oxycontin). Don't fall into the trap of extropolating on pro-paleo evidence! – Kamal Sep 29 2010 at 19:52
Yes I don't think that it is equivalent to doing drugs, but it is clearly addictive. It also triggers the orgasm hormone. So it my ex lover. :D – Stabby Sep 29 2010 at 21:07
I personally don't find wheat that addictive. I don't miss it much and I don't think about it much. I find rice noodles just as tasty as wheat noodles. But sugar on the other hand, now that really is an addiction and one I have to be careful not to feed. – Eva Sep 30 2010 at 3:25
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I would say that if you are already healthy, then eating the spaghetti on this one occasion wouldn't hurt you irrevocably. If you are still having health problems, or if you have a severe reaction to wheat, it could really set you back. If you already eat VLC, fasting is easy, so it wouldn't be as big a deal as eating the pasta.

On the other hand, it could also be a learning experience. Finding out if you have an immediate response to such a meal could be very enlightening.

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Although difficult I would use the situation as an opportunity for a fast. Or if the option is available eat the meatballs only with a small amount of the tomato sauce. Also, if salad is served with the spaghetti then I would definately do that too. The option of bringing along beef sticks or some Jerky are great options as well.

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Last night I worked at a function and dinner was provided - Sub sandwiches. Yes, I partook. Usually when I cheat, I take a little extra fish oil then make sure I eat clean the next day. It's a very conscious decision. If I don't make a point of it, I tend to go spiraling down the road of too many bad carbs.

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Fish oil balances omega6 not wheat. Tho it likely helps with some of the inflammatory response – Stephen-Aegis Sep 29 2010 at 9:09
If it's not formal and etiquette is not a big deal, I'll typically just eat the middlings of the sandwich and skip the bread, and if it's not too much of an exageration, I'll make some comment about how delicious it is, so the host feels better. I can also just say "Wheat gives me problems" which sounds better than 'I'm a picky eater!" I don't have any apparent allergy to wheat so keeping it vague allows me to keep it honest. But if there truly was NO meat around, it would be hard because I don't like veggies much. – Eva Sep 29 2010 at 12:40
Stephen, yes it's about my peace of mind more than balancing the omegas, but helping the inflammatory response is nice, too. Eva, I thought about it and have done that in the past with bread and pasta (It's pretty time consuming picking through lasagna,) but the middlings were pretty slim and I am almost always paleo complient, so I didn't stress the bread this once. – W8liftinmom Sep 29 2010 at 16:35
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24 hours is nothing, I don't even get why you would ask this question :)

De Vany just posted on his blog reviewing a study on ketosis showing 30 hours could potentially be the possible sweet spot for fasting in an evolutionary inspired diet.

And Kamal, I would do more reading on wheat and gluten. You might feel fine, but damage is being done regardless.

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I trust nothing from paid blogs :) On the other hand, I trust all research indicating damage from gliadin and friends, but I also know full well the difference between acute and chronic damage. Reading the articles that paleo sites cite with regards to wheat is much more telling than just the bits that are pulled out. – Kamal Sep 30 2010 at 7:36
De Vany knows his stuff. I wouldn't sweat the paid bit. The dude's gotta eat too. – raydawg Dec 30 2011 at 18:17
While you might not enjoy it, if you are keto-capable (not carb addicted), you can do this no sweat. Heck, you can fast for 3 days or even a week if you had to, why would you break the fast with pasta of all things? Hell no. Break it with a steak. – Bill1102inf Dec 30 2011 at 18:54
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I'm down with fasting for 24 hours if hanging out at home, but not while out of town with friends who are feasting in front of me.

Like you, I am not sensitive to wheat. I don't think it's very healthy, but I don't have any problems with the occasional wheat intake and in fact I do partake sometimes in situations less "desperate" than the one you describe. I guess I hew to that whole 80/20 thing.

So I -- again, no sensitivities to wheat -- would do it. Obviously that answer would be different if I had an allergy to wheat as so many people seem to have.

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i buy a bag of bananas chips fried in coconut oil. seems evey town now has a wal-mart so they are not hard to find while traveling. think of them as paleo junk food.LOL it least they dont give me arthritis.

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Since I AM sensitive to wheat, the spaghetti wouldn't be an option but I do fine with just vegetables and fruits on a given day if I can get them. And if the dish included rice or corn with the veggies I wouldn't lose sleep over that either. I'd probably have a meat-only day when I got home.

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It's a perfect opportunity to fast. :) If you can't find anything acceptable, which I doubt, just fast.

I mean, seriously, there's Diners everywhere, how hard is it to order a plate of fried eggs and bacon. Sure, it's not going to be pastured eggs or uncured bacon, but it's a lot less damaging than spaghetti. Or corned beef and cabbage for that matter.

It's not that hard.

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