How much meat do you eat? Are you at a half pound or under per day? Around a pound? More than 2 pounds? Also are there other significant forms of protein in your diet?
OPTIONAL: If you are on low protein what is your reason?
I've recently been eating about a pound or more per day because I just wanted to see what it would do to my body. I know, not exactly a comforting or intelligent reason but there's also another side to it. My workout regimen involves lifting SUPER heavy (for me at least) and while I've done low to moderate protein (with moderate to high carbs) before, I can't help but wonder if my results will differ if I just did a high protein diet. There's a plenty of people out there on PH or wherever that will tell me that up to a certain point, excess protein in the diet is useless and maybe even harmful blah blah blah, however, there will also be a number of people who will tell me the opposite. GAH... Instead of just waiting around on my tush, I'm just going to find out for myself.
So, since 2 weeks ago, my diet has been changed from low/mod protein, mod/high carb to High protein, moderate carb, and low fat. I do not consciously cycle calories or macronutrients.
I have also upped my intake of bone broth by a LOT to balance my amino acid intake. I'm talking about several cups worth per day.
little observations - my skin is sooooo smooth! and my hair is growing like weeds in a abandoned yard... ( i wonder how much this has to do with increased protein intake via muscle meat or bone broth..or both)
Hi, Eric. I follow Dr. Jan Kwasniewski's recommendations for how much CHO, PRO, and FAT.
The principles of the Optimal Diet
The main principle of this dietary model is a marked increase in the consumption of fat, and the reduction in the consumption carbohydrate, as the energy source for the body. There are, however, strict rules on the proportion between the three main food components, protein, fat and carbohydrates, which need to be followed (with few exceptions) in order to achieve claimed benefits of the Optimal Diet.
The ideal proportion between the main food components of protein, fat and carbohydrates should be in the range of: 1 : 2.5 - 3.5 : 0.5 In order to work out the correct daily food intake using this proportion, one has to know how many grams of protein needs to be ingested in a day to satisfy body's requirements. This amount varies from person to person and depends on a "due body weight". Due body weight, in kilograms, is equal to person's height in centimetres less 100 (± 10%). Thus, for a person 160 cm tall, a due body weight is 60 kg ± 6 kg.
A correct amount of protein to be consumed in a day is approx. 1 g per 1 kilogram of a due body weight. Thus, a 60 kg person needs to consume 60 ± 6 g of protein to satisfy body's daily needs. Any excess of protein, above the daily requirement, is converted by the body to fat, provided energy requirements are met by other components.
Having worked out the amount of protein, one can then calculate the amount of other components in a daily menu. Thus, for our typical 60 kg person, the consumption of 60 g of protein has to be accompanied by between 150 to 210 g of fat, and 30 to 50 g of carbohydrate in order to follow the principles of the Optimal Diet.*
There are links at that site on different aspects of the diet. Here is a link to the page on protein:
The site is not run by Dr. Kwasniewski, but by some folks who follow his plan.
Dr. Kwasniewski's site is in Polish, and google translator does not do a good job.
One of Dr. Kwasniewski's main tenets is that the food needs to be high quality and what he calls "bioavailable".
He recommends egg yolks especially, liver, brains and other offal, as well as muscle meat and fat.
The kind of meat is as important as how much.
Here is some information on his premise, from that same page on the Optimal Diet:
The Optimal Diet is not a form of medical treatment. It is the correct nutritional supply template of all the necessary nutritional elements needed by the body in order to sustain a healthy life. Diseased individuals who adopt this type of nutrition quickly return to health, regardless of the type of disease, since the diet does not treat the particular disease, as does a pill or a specific treatment. The causal treatment associated with the Optimal Diet is based on the delivery of the most important nutritional elements, e.g., the most valuable proteins and fats, whilst leaving the body in charge of the distribution of these elements to the most critical areas. Thus, the Optimal Diet firstly treats the underlying disease and then subsequently (rapidly) removes the burden of unnecessary body weight, whilst increasing the strength, the energy, the resistance and the vitality of the body.
And that is how the principles of the therapeutic function of this diet should be understood.
Therefore, this type of diet, or rather a healthy eating habit, can and should be adopted by sick and healthy individuals. Various disease states, which can be corrected (and in many cases cured) by the Optimal Diet are described below.
AFAIK, there isn't a web forum in America of folks on Dr. Kwasniewski's diet. From reading blogs and LC forums, it seems to be a popular diet among older folks with ailments and illnesses who are keen to be as healthy as they can.
Being one of those older folks, I can say that it has helped me very much. :)
Coming from the bodybuilding world.....roughly the body needs 1g of protein per 1lb of body weight JUST to maintain your current muscle. If you want to actually build muscle, you need to take in 1.5-2g protein per Lb.
So I am 200 lbs, I take in about 250-300g of protein. Sounds like a lot, but it adds up quick if you think about 8oz of chicken breast containing 50g of protein
I'm 16, 6'5 and 190 pounds pure muscle. Huge into movnat! I eat 4-5 pounds a day and include 4-6 eggs in on top. I also consume kale like a dumpster! I follow the rules very strictly and have not gained a bit of fat!
I was eating over 2lbs of meat/egg/fish per day, i thought this was what i needed as i eat low carb most of the time, everyday i kept looking worse and kept upping my protein because i thought maybe i wasn't getting enough to meet my glucogenesis needs, the higher i went the crappier i looked & felt.
I now think i was eating way too much for my needs so have halved my protein down to 1lb per day, i feel like i've already seen an improvement after 2/3 days, i look better and i feel like i'm finally burning fat more efficiently.