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So after learning about ancestral lifestyle and health and watching the Burzynski movie, the hubby and I've stopped donating to conventional non-profits like American Cancer Society, American Heart Association, etc. because they are mouthpiece for conventional wisdom and the pharmaceutical companies. We have also stopped participating in Walkathons for cancer, autoimmune diseases (like MS) etc.

We would rather give my money and/or time to ancestral efforts/projects/research.

Anyone else have this similar experience?

When friends and family try to ask for donations for these causes, what do you tell them?

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Often, there is still a genetic predisposition to cancer, heart disease, and other illnesses. Having BRCA (1,2) genes, for example, puts women at a much greater risk for being diagnosed with breast cancer...at birth, before anything has even had time to intervene. So even if she eats everything right, I don't think it would be fair to blame her for failing to control her body. Cancer research money led to the discovery of those factors so that women could be tested (if they wanted to) to understand their increased risk so that they could manage lifestyle factors, or in extreme cases, consider removing their breasts.

Environmental causes, such as radiation from natural disaster/war, etc. also play a role. At a high enough dose of say radiation, I think it would be difficult to try and control the affected through diet alone. I don't think diet alone will end cancer diagnoses.

I don't think those organizations are directly tied to pharmaceutical companies. True, they do tend to advocate for low-fat diets and adhere to other CW guidelines, but they also raise awareness, give advice about pre-cancer screenings, exercise, quitting smoking and offer hope to those who are already suffering. Prevention is great (if you are interested in ancestral approaches), but I have doubts that diet alone will save someone who is in stage 3 and hoping for a cure.

Organizations like that aren't only interested in the cure. They also invest in understanding the interplay between biological causes, emotional reactions (I worked on a breast cancer research project investigating family members of those diagnosed) in the affected and their family members, and environmental causes (e.g. BPA). They do tests on cortisol and recovery rates, how social support affects recovery, etc. It is much more than just the body.

I guess I'm not sure what you mean by "conventional" non-profits. Organizations like that also give survivors a chance to celebrate life through walks and meeting others.

I may be biased because I used to run with a children's brain tumor foundation. The organization also raised money to have an author write a book for young children confused about their medical condition, sent children with illnesses to special summer camps for those who couldn't afford it, and in general, gave parents a chance to meet eachother through walks and socialize and connect. There's a community element to many non-profits. It's not just about the "biology" behind things.

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YES. We shouldn't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. I want more women getting diagnosed quicker, and if that means supporting some conventional projects, so be it. There is a crap load of nuance between "conventional" and "ancestral". – syrahna Apr 20 2012 at 4:39
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Don't forget that Prenatal nutrition/environment plays a huge role in gene expression. I support research that helps us identify what is physiologically optimal--and ancestral nutrition is a large part of that. I notice that as people get interested in their diet, they often pay more attention to environmental issues like BPA, etc. Personally, I prefer to support prevention rather than diagnosis/cure. And isn't it great that we all can choose where we put our money? – Dragonfly Apr 20 2012 at 10:00
Some genes, despite environment and nutrition will express themselves. Blue eyes? Red hair? Nobody would argue that those genes are environmentally driven. I have a genetic disorder that is from a parent, just like hair color or eye color. Nutrition and environment had NOTHING to do with it. I don't think the argument here is that there is no use for "ancestral research". Rather, I want to push the issue that from a purely biological standpoint, genetic mutations and "flaws" happen, no matter how well you eat and how clean your air is. – Sunny Beaches Apr 20 2012 at 13:55
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I have nothing against support groups - I think they are great for ANYONE. But when they start preaching whole grains, low-fat, and getting financial support from Big Pharma, and treat everyone like a victim - like it's not their fault they are eating 3 cokes plus donuts then there is a problem. – Lady_Arwen Apr 20 2012 at 16:45
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They also advocate for prevention and lifestyle changes as well. – Sunny Beaches Apr 20 2012 at 19:03
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After seeing several cancer charities fund raising by selling sugary junk food, I've completely stopped supporting charities like this.

I'd much rather donate my time to worthwhile organisations and try to raise as much awareness as possible about the importance of good nutrition.

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any you can recommend? – Lady_Arwen Apr 20 2012 at 16:45
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Yeah, I have a real hard time donating to friends for their various cycles and runs and walks and such. But I try to think of it as supporting them, not the organization. It's not really a conversation I'm willing to have with them because I'm not about to get into why I think SGK is evil when their own mother survived breast cancer.

And I balance it out by trying to give to things I find worthwhile. I'm eyeballing the Farm to Consumer Legal Defense Fund.

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I don't think SGK will ever recover from the disaster from a month or so ago. I don't think it's wrong at all to think SGK is "evil" just because your mom had breast cancer. The pulling of funding had nothing to do with breast cancer itself. It was a politically driven mistake. – Sunny Beaches Apr 20 2012 at 4:19
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Agreed< Karen. I wish more people would read this: butterbeliever.com/2011/10/22/… – Dragonfly Apr 20 2012 at 10:23
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Wow, awesome link Dragonfly. I always dread October and having pink shoved down my throat. – Karen P. Apr 20 2012 at 15:14
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I am kind of put off by this post and the way you're stating it, and I want you to know why, because I am sure you don't mean to come off like this.

It sounds like you're walking around with plenty of class privilege. Sure, give your money to causes with integrity, and honor your own integrity, but geez - I can't help but wonder - you want to come look someone like my husband in the eye and say you're not going to donate to the Muscular Dystrophy Association because it's not progressive enough in supporting nutrition for the gimp masses, when he & his peers didn't do a damn thing to earn being born with a severe genetic quirk? And seriously, MS? It seems to me the more you know about nutrition and light (rather ancestral concepts) the more you'd be behind the cutting edge research on MS. There's a reason it's so prevalent in the Pacific Northwest. And if you want to come look my good buddy in the face and tell her that you think the scientists who are giving her longer and better quality of life with their (conventional, FDA approved) pills are not a good use of your money, go ahead. I don't want to get decked.

There's nothing wrong with being a little communitarian and looking out for the greatest good for the greatest number of people - or just keeping in mind that you're damn lucky to have the education and ability to direct your resources according to your pet interests.

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I love the paleo lifestyle, but it does worry that people overestimate the ability to control illness and disease. Genetic mutations do happen, even in animals in the wild. The American Heart Association supports research on congenital heart disease in infants. Infants! It would be heart-breaking to simply point a finger at the mom for not eating "well" enough because she could have prevented it with proper nutrition. Sometimes life happens, and it's not because we didn't eat organic apples. Mental illness is something else I worry about a lot here on this board. I'll save that for another day – Sunny Beaches Apr 20 2012 at 5:03
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"There's nothing wrong with being a little communitarian and looking out for the greatest good for the greatest number of people." I agree. I think ancestral nutrition/vitamin D research will benefit more people in the long run than any research looking for a "pill" to cure the degenerative diseases that affect the masses like cancer, diabetes and heart disease. – Dragonfly Apr 20 2012 at 10:06
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And just because we can't heal everything with diet, should we ignore the millions of people who would benefit from ancestral nutrition research? – Dragonfly Apr 20 2012 at 10:12
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syrahna, I just want to point out that I don't think anyone is pointing fingers at those with disease. But many of these organizations (SGK, Livestrong, etc.) are bloated and mismanage the funds they are given. For example, SGK has numerous execs with salaries of 300K and above, and they spend a million dollars a year suing smaller charities for the use of the word "cure" in their title. THAT is unconscionable and hard to support with my dollars. – Karen P. Apr 20 2012 at 15:18
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Breast cancer approaching 1 in 3, and prostrate cancer 1 in 2 cannot be genetic - there are environmental and lifestyle factors responsible for that kind of issue. msnbc.msn.com/id/36032749/ns/health-womens_health/… – Lady_Arwen Apr 20 2012 at 16:02
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Yep.

In the past, I have support MS Walkathons and Breast Cancer charities.

This year I will be donating to the Vitamin D Council.

Fortunately, the only thing my family has solicited me for was Girl Scout cookies. I simply ignored the FaceBook posts--they know I am gluten-free... :-)

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