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It's on Youtube at long last.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3qNEeqCACwo

EDIT BY PATRIK:

You are free to criticize what the The Quilt/Kruse espouses (and I am certainly not a fan) -- HOWEVER, please moderate your language and tone. Do not use ad hominem or insulting language.

Such language/behavior is not appropriate for PaleoHacks.

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I like Dr. Kruse, I just don't like his ideas. – Bruno Apr 29 2012 at 16:38
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@Shari Bambino -- I am not a fan of Jack Kruse's style or philosphy -- however, you must remain civil -- language like "boil on the butt" is not appropriate for PaleoHacks. Please delete or I will have to. – Patrik Apr 29 2012 at 21:05
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@Patrik ... HUH? It's your site and all that but "boil on butt" is a pretty good analogy and hardly that offensive. JMO of course. – Evelyn aka CarbSane Apr 29 2012 at 21:41
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@Patrik You're right here. Whatever any of our views, "this boil on the butt of the paleo community needs to be lanced" is inappropriate and disrespectful. It is ad hominem. – interrobung Apr 29 2012 at 23:32
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Sorry I missed your request Patrik. You know it's a quote from a very funny movie. And I stand by it and my right to say it here...cause it's a line from a very funny movie. Glad the issue is resolved though. Ad hominem Joseph? Really? While you are certainly entitled to your opinion I think a fair number of people here would disagree with you mightily. I'm sorry to have offended your sensibilities but maybe you need to lighten up just a bit? You're not going to last long around here if you keep this up. – Shari Bambino May 2 2012 at 0:56
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WOW! Despite the fact that many have commented that Dr. Kruse speaks much better than he writes, I was still so very confused as to what the main take aways from this presentation should be. So, here are a few notes taken directly from the talk:

JK wanted to share an idea that will "change your life."

This whole thing started with knee tear. A friend shared books and papers with him as a result. The book was The Monk Who Sold His Ferrari (A FABLE About Fulfilling Your Dreams & Reaching Your Destiny). In the book a lawyer left his law practice to live with Sherpas. When he came back everyone said he looked 25 years younger and was in great shape. Dr. JK wonders, what if this is possible?

The papers that were shared with him were about cytokines and leptin. Leptin controls everything so, he knew that the knee was tied to leptin.

In 2009, the Nobel prize went to telomoere biology. So he also got interesting in looking at that too.

Is is possible that obesity is an inflammatory brain condition, asks JK? Could he fix himself via the Leptin reset which he says was a secret until last year? He says he used that diet and cold because sherpas live in the cold.

Colclear implants rewires the brain so people can hear again. This is like what JK claims he did, he rewired his vagal nerve to rewire his brain. So, this caused him to lose 157 lbs.

He showed a photo of his son (who didn't even know he was going to be there or that he did this surgery and MRSA thing) who was overweight in the photo. He used the Leptin Rx and CT on his son His kid lost 60 lbs in 6 weeks. He turned his nephew into a navy seal.

He wan't satisfied with this, he got into the whole longevity thing and ran tests to see if he got younger. According to him, his blood tests say that he did.

He says that our deep ancestors who came out of the water were cold adapted mammals. There was an evolutionary bottleneck so to get food they had to go back into the water to get omega 3 fish. To do that they had to get numb, and that was interesting to him. (Again, no citation or reference. This is all him here).

He refers to Wim Hof's Tedx presentation. Dr. Kruse says Wim injected himself with bacteria and didn't get sick. He also climbed Everest and ran a marathon - JK claims that he was able to do all of this because of the cold.

JK says that Lance Armstrong, Micheal Phelps, sherpas and astronauts use cold to do what they do. JK says that nobody know this, but Lance has freezers in his house and that's what helped him win. Phelps swims in 50 degree water and that made him a winner. Neil Armstrong lost 30 lbs and ate less while in space. JK says it's the sherpas that give us the answer to all of these things.

JK says that this is a pathway that no one knows about, but JK. But he goes on to say that it's in the Monk Who Sold His Ferrari.

He goes on to tell us a story of a surgeon he knows. who got acute spinal cord compression while performing surgery. He went to a hospital and had surgery that didn't go well, so he was sent to JK and JK told him the secrets and fixed him and in 6 weeks he was running and back at work as a completely new person.

He referrs to Terry Wahls' Tedx presentation. He says that presentation got him wanting to make a TED presentation himself.

He goes on to say that his idea was to do the first "Evolutionarily Directed" surgery. Nodoby would let him do this to someone else - inject bacteria and avoid anesthesia. The secret pathway tells us we have ultimate immunity.

He decided he had to "make" himself a surgical candidate. So, he had some sort of tummy tuck type surgery and "secretly" gained 25 lbs eating a SAD (PUFA + grains he says). It took 2 months to gain 25 lbs and nobody knew and he hid it.

On Jan 8th he told his wife about this. The next day he had surgery without anesthesia. Before the surgery he injected MRSA all over his torso (he says it's nasty stuff). He "woke up" and was in pain. His wife and daughter didn't know what was going on and even his son at the time of taping didn't know anything about this. His wife and daughter was ordered to get out a tub while he was sceaming and crying. He told her to get 120 lbs of ice from the freezer and in minutes the ice got rid of his pain. He even flaunted his incisions to his 11 year old daughter.

He avoided infection and never had pain.

He says that this proved to his that cold packs reduce pain. He decided that all these variables proved that this secret pathway exists in humans and that he should do this to his patients. Apparently an 80 year old patient he used diet and cold on recovered well from surgery and that it was remarkable.

He starts hiw wrapup saying that this clearly proves that the Paleo diet and CT are keys to human health.

His ending remark is that unconventional methods can lead to remarkable results that can help millions of people. He also says that the entire medical profession has lost its way and they need to use evolutionary biology.

*My takeaways:*

  1. The Monk Who Sold His Ferrari is not a true story. It is a fable. I have never read it, but the word fable is right in the title. I do not understand how a self-help, motivational fable proves that we are cold adapted mammals in any way.

  2. I think it's nice that Dr. Kruse took the time to read the books and papers his colleague gave him and learned all about leptin. It is also noteworthy that he successfully lost a tremendous amount of weight.

  3. Obesity as an inflammatory brain condition has been widely talked about. So that is surely noteworthy.

  4. I take some issue with how he presents the Wim Hof LPS injection experiment. He keeps saying that WIM "injected himself with bacteria." I watched the video about this here. Wim had LPS endotoxin injected, yes. But it was under the direction of a team of doctors, in a hospital setting, while having many biomarkers tracked, and on camera. There were obviously many cooperative and willing witnesses to this. I get the impression that Dr. Kruse is trying to compare his secret smearing and injection of MRSA on his torso to Wim's experiment. The two seem very different to me. Totally different bacteria. Wim's experiment had but one variable and Dr. Kruse's had...a lot. Dr. Kruse had no tests or measures to show that CT or the Paleo diet or whatever caused his body to fight off the MRSA without becoming infected. Also, I have read that nearly all hospital staff have MRSA anyway, so perhaps this was not the best bacteria to prove superhuman immunity in him? I dunno.

  5. He does not say exactly what the surgery he went in for was, but it sounds like a tummy tuck. This is pure speculation. Assuming it was a tummy tuck, I believe that the surgeons want you to get to your goal weight before the surgery. There is no requirement that you weigh a certain amount above it. The only place I've read that is in regards to bariatric surgery (gastric bypass). So, the point about gaining 25 lbs seems pointless as well. It is likely that after losing 157 lbs he would have been able to buy his tummy tuck without gaining weight.

  6. He says he did not have anesthesia, and he admits in the YouTube comments that he had general but not local. There's a lot of doublespeak going on.

  7. I see that other's think that Dr. Kruse is leading "by example" and that we need to heed his words or reap the consequences. I don't like the example he lays out about keeping so many secrets from his family and sharing his son's story and photos in front of a live audience and on YouTube without his consent. I don't like that he traumatized his wife and 11 year old daughter.

Perhaps it's all a fable?

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A real tour de force Meredith! :) – Matt May 1 2012 at 17:24
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No way that knee pain came from him weighing 350 lbs. Nope. No way, no how. Now if I'd only known that my knee problems when I weighed 350lbs were leptin-related. – luckybastard May 1 2012 at 17:41
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Totally. I had to get it down because I just couldn't keep up with the "flow" of information or what the main topic even was. Since I got it down I thought I'd just put it here for anyone who wanted to skim rather than invest 19 minutes to watch. – none May 1 2012 at 18:08
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Thanks Meredith. Really good perspective. I love the way you have summarised the talk, as reading it in this format, highlights exactly how ridiculous all this is. It's reads like the ramblings of someone in a bout of mania. I completely agree with your interpretation on the matters that you have provided after the summary too. I was horrified to hear what he put his 11 year old,little girl through. I just. Don't. Get it. – Carly May 1 2012 at 18:16
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Endotoxin is dead but will still generate an immune system response just like living bacteria would. Wim was able to suppress his immune response so he did not get any of the normal body responses. He in fact decreased his resistance to infection by doing this (to demonstrate his control over his autonomic systems.) That is why endotoxin was used - no chance of developing a real infection. Wim was not demonstrating hyper immunity - he was demonstrating control of autonomic systems by turning much of his immunity off. Kruse is just mentally challenged. There is no nicer way to say it. – Paleo2.0 May 1 2012 at 22:45
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I'm going to be honest here. I have not watched it and I'm not going to. I am trying to focus on positives and watching stuff like I imagine this to be will likely put me in a bad place. I think we should all stop wasting our time on discussing him, it does no good. And all the negativity makes us look bad.

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And I don't beleive that he has all that much credibilty. Not to me, and not to any of the wonderful people that I know and respect floating around the paleosphere. – Thumper Apr 29 2012 at 15:54
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I see where you're coming from. But if nobody speaks up, then the Jack Kruse keynote speakering and inclusion on discussion panels, etc. will continue unabated. His quackery may even dissuade some FROM trying the parts he has right -- e.g. there can be benefits of cold therapy correctly applied. – Evelyn aka CarbSane Apr 29 2012 at 16:16
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Bree I totally get your position and I think for some just staying out of it is the right thing to do. Dealing with this crap can be draining. I agree with Evelyn too though and think that he can't be allowed to go unchallenged. He went unchallenged for far too long and that's what got us (the paleo community) into this mess. He should have been nipped in the bud a year ago. But no, everyone (with any power) just pretending this disaster wasn't happening. Now the paleo community is being hijacked by a madman. "All that is necessary for crazy to triumph is for good men to do nothing" Indeed. – Shari Bambino Apr 29 2012 at 16:44
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I think that he's been challeneged since he started posting on PH. I have no clue how he has obtained so much 'fame' I think a lot comes from the negative attention he receives here. He likes to be seen as a 'rebel with a cause' if you will - and we're buying into it. And so are his followers. I am happy to notice lately that all the people that I talk to in person re: paleo eating have never heard of him. And F*** I'm mad about all the downvotes I'm getting for my answer here - but I'm sticking by it - he will get no youtube views from me – Thumper Apr 29 2012 at 16:59
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I'm with Bree on this one. I have no desire to watch the video. What has been seen: it cannot be unseen. I do not need Kruse's broadcast image permanently emblazoned into my memory, tyvm. – Kaz Apr 29 2012 at 17:54
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In answer to my own question, I'm going to expand on my comments above regarding the story he tells. I don't believe any of it to be true, but that's another story. Jack claims to have kept his family in the dark on this. Didn't tell his wife that he was going to intentionally damage his health (though temporarily) by eating SAD and gaining 25 lbs intentionally. (How one hides this from their wife?). But the surgery is more egregious.

He says he "woke up" -- so he was under general anesthesia just got no locals or post-op meds. Any time you go under anesthesia there are waivers and such to be signed. Do you not think a man should inform his wife that he's going under? Let's not mention how Mr. Optimized life would recklessly undergo intentional elective surgery. Don't know how he got to the surgery, but it appears his wife and daughter drove him home. And he was in pain and yelling at his wife to get the tub out of the closet and put it on the bed and then go get that ice. So having no clue with their husband/father in considerable pain his wife and daughter were put through needless trauma. On top of that he talks about showing his 11 year old his cuts and explains what he did.

All of this is bad enough if you don't add in the INSANE injecting himself with MRSA. As has been pointed out elsewhere, MRSA is no worse than other staph bacteria in terms of infection, only that it is resistant to antibiotics should infection take hold. So even if he resisted it, this would have endangered countless lives, not the least of which his wife and children.

Again, I don't believe a word of this other than Jack likes to lie around in ice baths and numb himself up. But either he's a horrible man willing to abuse his family for some sort of fame and glory, or he's a freakin' liar and needs to be called on it like every other con artist should be. I know which one I think.

Oh ... and he needs one size bigger clothes ;D

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OMG. Well first of all they cut out his introduction. They cut the damn intro! Know why? Because the guy introduced him as crazy. No seriously. He was introduced as a crazy man by the emcee. I can't believe they cut that out! It was perfect really. Damn them. Second of all no kidding on the clothes. The original was VERY dark so you really couldn't see him well. Wow, tighty tightness twinkletoes. Jack either needs a new tailor (or a tailor period I'm thinking) or a new plastic surgeon who knows how to really suck stuff out. He's probably lying about everything. Wouldn't be surprised. – Shari Bambino Apr 29 2012 at 18:22
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That's too bad they cut the intro, thanks for letting us know. He says he gained 25 lbs and the surgery only took 2 lb. This was almost 2 months post op yet I read on FB after this how he was still talking about being bloated. Everyone heals differently, but I've seen folks' diaries of tummy tuck and he's certainly not healed faster that's for sure. I think if he got surgery at all it was because he rebounded in weight when he was getting popular and needed a reason to explain the scars should someone see them on the LC cruise. Yes folks, pure speculation. We're all entitled to that ;-) – Evelyn aka CarbSane Apr 29 2012 at 19:49
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BTW +10000000000000 for tighty tightness twinkletoes! – Evelyn aka CarbSane Apr 29 2012 at 19:52
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I watched it yesterday but I knew going in that it was going to be a train wreck as I had read/heard about it for weeks already. Was I impressed/shocked/dismayed? No, none of the above, but I can say that at least for whatever it's worth, his speech was far more understandable than his blog tends to be. I think there's something to the cold thermogenesis concept and I definitely think there's something to eating paleo for better health but I don't think the surgery/MRSA injections helped his cause any and, in fact, probably caused a lot of people to tune out and write him off completely.

As others have mentioned elsewhere on this site, I worry that he's going to lose his license to practice medicine by publicly announcing the MRSA portion of his experiment. It just doesn't seem wise for a doctor to use himself (not to mention his family) in such a blatantly unorthodox way.

I wish him the best and I think there may be something to some of his theories but I don't think he's going about things the way a professional should.

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I'm really glad you are talking about this guy, cos as a newcomer the stuff he says is pretty confusing! He says that paleo made him look fit, but he was still suffering from imflammation, and that if we don't all take high level magnesium supplements and sit in freezing cold baths then, however 'ripped' paleo makes us look, we could still fall down dead of heart attacks at any time. Plus, looking at the video, I could not get why his 'wheat belly' came back if he was still following paleo.

At least, that's what I managed to get from his very rambling talks and page - I don't really understand WHAT he's saying most of the time. That kind of stuff could (a) make paleo sound way more complicated than it is (I find it fairly straightforward actually), and (b) make people worried that paleo is simply a cosmetic thing for people who want to look good rather than feel good / be healthy / live long.

All in all, I decided that what he was saying could not be right (or was too complicated for me to understand!). I have been listening to 'conventional health wisdom' all my life, in the form of doctors, media, etc, and I never felt well. Paleo makes me feel GOOD, and that's enough for me!

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I love your answer Helz - And welcome to the resistance ;) – Thumper May 1 2012 at 14:57
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I found his talk disorganized and with poor use of slides. He would really benefit from public speaking lessons. He just doesn't have any reality distortion field natively, so he needs to work on the charisma.

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The key issue is whether or not the leptin-melanocortin pathway works as he says it does. Cold thermogenisis, the paleo diet, ketosis, the use of cold with surgery- practically everything he supports is not his own. They all are, however, acceptable protocols that have brought good results to many people, so you haters aren't really doing anything but engaging in personal attacks.

Of course, I don't see why the surgery on himself particularly proves anything, unless he just felt he had to know what he was about to put his patients through.

To a large extent Kruse seems to be trying to figure out how to promote a message on the internet. TedX wanted edgy, crazy even. They like stories, want the personal. For a while now I've notice most TED talks have very little actual content.
I wish he would have stood up there and traced out the pathway. This stuff is complicated- I just ran into a part of it while reading a book called the Honey Revolution, and realized in the process that Kruse could be right about NPY if carbs are low. The likelihood that there is a study performed under those conditions is virtually nil.

So, Kruse goes there and tells stories. I like Tyler Cowen's TED talk, where he admonishes the TED conference goers about the dangers of telling each other a bunch of stories. Am I going to get really upset with a neurosurgeon about stories? No. It is very obvious he spends most of his time thinking about other things. He assumes the stories are what will get his message out. I will save my ire for the story professionals. Meanwhile, I much rather see some constructive criticism on the proposed pathway rather than Kruse's style.

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I'm biased against Kruse and I can't be fair. Full disclosure up front.

That said, I did NOT like that video.

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I watched it, I agree with GurlzLuvSteak, it could have used a great deal of editorial focusing. Could have been shortened to 1/3 as long and kept the important reveals and trimmed the WTFery antics out (MRSA!?).

Still, I'm even more interested now in finding someone with communication skills as presenting a good introduction on how to implement cold adapting strategies. Much like Mark Sisson has done in the past couple weeks in his multipart Intermittent Fasting posts. Until that day, I'll keep my eyes and ears out for someone ELSE to bring the goods on cold.

I am offering a tip of the hat to him for getting it on my radar though.

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Check out what Ray Cronise has to say about cold. I – tdgor Apr 30 2012 at 0:29
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I know almost nothing about Dr. Kruse's recommendations, but I don't why he should be treated any differently than anyone else.

There is either credible evidence to support his claims or there isn't, and whether or not that evidence exists is a useful topic for discussion.

Speculating about his credibility, or passing judgement on his relationship with his family, is nothing more than gossip.

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I'm not speculating on his relationship with his family. I think his claimed actions put his credibility as a medical professional in question, however. I suppose one shouldn't care how big a prick someone is to his family if he's out to save the world, eh? – Evelyn aka CarbSane Apr 29 2012 at 16:37
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But Sam Jack is WELL KNOWN to just make stuff up. He's done this for YEARS. And dear Jack is the one that chose to drag his family into this which I find disgusting and abhorrent. Using your children in this way? It just goes to his character or lack of character IMO. Once he did that though it's fair game. He's the asshole not Evelyn. – Shari Bambino Apr 29 2012 at 17:09
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Just to be clear Sam, I don't believe a word of this "epic hack". I don't think a surgeon would do the surgery knowing the full details. I don't believe he had surgery and just had his wife & daughter bring him home or he showed up home asking for the ice. I don't believe he injected MRSA. I don't believe he spends hours on end in ice water. He's offered no proof so ALL details must be considered. Make sense? FWIW, I don't believe his story of riding the subway to the museum alone as a kid in NYC. That is not consistent with my knowledge of NYC same museum same era. Period. – Evelyn aka CarbSane Apr 29 2012 at 21:37
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The "x" is independently organized event. Since Jimmy Moore posted an appeal on Jack's behalf not all that far in advance of the conference, I get the feeling they were filling a last minute slot? Dunno. – Evelyn aka CarbSane Apr 30 2012 at 12:34
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Credibility IS assessed subjectively and it's perfectly acceptable to evaluate his credibility here. – syrahna May 1 2012 at 4:04
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I haven't seen it, so I'm not commenting on the video. But as I read this thread it struck me - how would any of use have reacted 30 years ago if someone said they had just injected botulism into their face?

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I was 21. I wouldn't have cared. lol. – Warren D May 1 2012 at 18:03
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Injecting oneself with toxic substances isn't unprecedented. Dr. Barry Marshall injected himself with bacteria to prove that ulcers are caused by bacteria when current wisdom believed they were caused by stress. Sure enough, he developed ulcers. Then he took antibiotics to heal himself. Won the Nobel prize in 2005, along with J. Robin Warren for this work.

Like the man or hate the man, who cares. Judge him on his work, not his style. He's not making the Paleo community toxic. Those who spend their time gossiping about him are taking care of that nicely.

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So he purposely got an infection for which there was a known cure. This is a far cry from MRSA, that can be deadly, and resistant to antibiotics so if it hadn't worked, his family would be left without a husband and father. Nevermind all the others he endangered. Eh, but I don't believe it anyway. – Evelyn aka CarbSane May 2 2012 at 11:28
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I loved it!!!!!!!

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Extremely entertaining! Reminds me of Disneyland after Dark! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEe2_wr6TQ4&feature=related

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Video not available in my country. Boo :( – Shari Bambino Apr 29 2012 at 16:38
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He leads by example. You ignore him at your own detriment.

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I'll not treat my family like he claims to have treated his any time soon. Nor do I plan to experiment on myself by deliberately damaging my health to gain weight so I can undergo unnecessary surgery, that always carries risks, inject myself with MRSA and endanger everyone around me. – Evelyn aka CarbSane Apr 29 2012 at 15:47
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Perfect example of the hyperbole that surrounds Dr. Kruse. "You ignore him at your own detriment" really? Is he that original? Can I not glean all of what he says from others? – Thumper Apr 29 2012 at 15:48
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LOL!!!! Have you shot yourself up with MRSA yet John? Make sure to take pics or video when you do. Pics or it didn't happen. – Shari Bambino Apr 29 2012 at 16:37
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John, aren't you the long-time friend of Kruse who went to dental school with him? – Anonymous Chump Apr 29 2012 at 23:21
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Evelyn, where does he say that you should do this? – Wozza Apr 30 2012 at 1:40
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I know Jack and his family very well. I have been to his home many times and he to mine. Our families have traveled together. We have worked together for 13 years. He is (by his own admission) very polarizing and controversial. He is not trying to change individual thinking, but trying to change the world. Some of his claims may pan out to be untrue, but this is the scientific method. All great scientists have theories that pan out to be untrue. Thomas Edison proposed that we run DC current to individual homes. That would never have worked. This is how we learn.

I can attest that he does indeed practice CT daily and follows his diet plan very religiously. I saw his transformation first hand from obese to fit. He is a healthcare professional, a dentist, and a neurosurgeon trained at some top institutions. He is a fine Neruosurgeon and actually did surg. on my mother. Very little of what he says is a lie. He is known for hyperbolization at times, but his message is real and should be considered.

As for his wardrobe, we tease him all the time about it. I was once with him when a friend said to him, "I like your jeans, Jack. Too bad they don't come in men's versions". So the clothing jokes are not new to him.

It is unclear to me why he writes incoherently at times? I think he is just so eager to share his knowledge, he posts things without first reading them. I think he should be given a little slack with the personal criticisms--he really is a great guy.

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