"Gurus" should be held to NO standard. If your dumb enough to follow someone blindly you deserve what you get.

As to his status as an MD, its up to his peers and state association to monitor his behavior in the clinical respect....

I answered a recent question with the following information, but I believe it to be relevant here too. Plus the other question has been deleted so the answer was also deleted with it.

This does not surprise me what so ever. There has been numerous occasions (see previous threads on Kruse) where his honesty has been in question.

I had a twitter 'to and fro' with him very recently, Kruse dished out one of his usual blanket (excuse the pun) statements and I called him up on it. I suggested to him that perhaps he had a duty to his many followers, to be a clearer in his message. He informed me that he only has a duty of care to his patients. I then asked him if he did not think he had a duty of care to the hundreds (if not thousands, although it pains me to say that) of people he gives advice to on his website, here and MDA. His answer -

"I do not give advice over the internet!"

I sh** you not.

If you put your trust in this man, who reiterated to me several times he bears no responsibility what so ever to his online followers, then more fool you.

In my opinion, he is not interested in helping people, he is interested in notoriety. This is evident from his actions and answers when challenged. There is a lot of disturbing behaviour from him on various forums (including non health forums) that puts into question his state of mind. This suspension from the American Assoc. of Neurological Surgeons, is just yet another one of the many nails in his coffin that will hopefully lead to him no longer being a spokesperson of the paleo community. Seriously, how much does one person have to do before people realise he is not worth following?

Given as this was one of the sites Jack used to "dump his message" on the paleo community and gather a following, I think it's not only appropriate, but almost imperative that this sort of information be shared.

Jack doesn't speak for paleo, but, then again he does. He has spoken at PaleoFX and TEDx for paleo. He works paleolithic diet into everything he says. His blog is amazingly popular and he's touted by many influential in the greater community. Yet he's someone many do not want to be associated with paleo. What does that say?

I think the timing of this sanction and his blog evolution to paid-for content is worth noting for those inclined to sign up.

Ideation without execution leads to deletion.

For all I know, Jack Kruse is completely full of ... doo-doo. I've read his blog, and I have no intention of following any of his recommended protocols.

Having said that, I can't help but make the observation that there's a certain amount of irony in this discussion, for two reasons:

1) Uncritical acceptance of incomplete evidence. None of us really know what Kruse did or if his suspension was justified, we only know what the AANS tells us. My impression is that if this was someone who is less controversial, we would be more skeptical.

2) Uncritical acceptance of the opinion of a national health/professional organization. In other circumstances, this would be a badge of honor. If an MD or RD was suspended from their respective professional organizations for advocating a Paleo diet, they'd be heros in this community, and for all we know the "other...causes for concern" might be Kruse's advocacy of a Paleo diet, as well.

No one deserves a free pass, but there seems to be a lower standard of evidence for criticism of Kruse than for other people.

On a related note, I'd expect other PH'ers to do the same thing I did, which is to read what Kruse has to say and accept or reject it based on that. I don't think I, or anyone else, needs "help" from his detractors to make that decision.

I don't find him to be all that credible right now, and pay him little heed.

Actual SUSPENSIONS are hard to trigger, and I certainly would not use him as a doctor knowing about it.

He presents his own synthesis of many, many health ideas... Some of which seem to strongly contradict each other. He may be inspiring to some, but he is so far from clear that I will never give him my money, or much credence.

Can I get out of this ice bath now? ;)

The problem here for me is that I view all MDs with a jaundiced eye, often not accepting their assertions and diagnostics without my own verification or substantiation. I'm by no means arguing there aren't amazing MDs out there--I found a great one--I just don't grant my trust, and certainly not my faith, in anyone based on professional credentials. I've known too many dumb people with lofty credentials, and the opposite as well.

So while I might view Kruse or any other MD with suspicion, I'd surely view all his colleagues--the ones who suspended him--the same way. Meaning, their censure could easily be just a different brand of quackery. What happens when a paleo-promoting practitioner is censured by his /her professional community for not promoting, diagnosing, and treating based on the lipid hypothesis?

This question almost has a meta aspect to it, in terms of this site itself. I don't know much about Kruse or his history here. Whether we choose to label someone a guru or a quack (or both), I think people who post here should be held to standards. But we impose those standards ourselves, through the points/reputation system, challenging arguments, etc. And I consider sharing this info to be an important part of how this community defines and polices itself, and vets and curates its own content. If an individual's own professional community censures the individual, something I suppose happens relatively rarely, I want to know about it. But I might not find that sufficient reason to dismiss the individual. It becomes part of the bigger picture.

We all know Jack's got a couple loose screws,,, sounds like he's being crucified by his peers to me

"John J. Kruse, MD — Six-month Suspension. The Board concluded that Dr. Kruse gave false testimony in a deposition regarding the size of pedicle screws used in surgery by another neurosurgeon. There were several other matters which, while not the basis for the suspension recommendation, were causes for concern."

Everything about that statement is disconcerting and his share price just dropped in my book.

Well, let's see, he gave testimony that was incorrect about the size of screws used by another doctor. So, why doesn't that testimony count as hearsay?

If I heard you say that, six months ago on a specific date, you had a rib eye steak, and it actually turned out you really had prime rib, and I testified that "to the best of my knowledge" you had a rib eye, but then someone pulled the restaurant receipt, would I really be giving false testimony based on my, unknown to me, incorrect knowledge?

Really, in the end, I don't care about that. What I do care about is whether or not his ideas are correct and useful. These can be proven via studies, when those studies are done, or if he has references to existing ones, backed up by such. I do recall from his earlier posts, that I did see such references. And when I read his newer stuff on CT, I'll note whether such exist.

Yes, I do wish he was more clear in his posts about the exact mechanisms, he is certainly sloppy in his writing. But again, at the end of the day, either his ideas on cold, and leptin, are the real meat of the question.

Whats with another kruse thread? If you dont like him,fine but your obsessive hatred of him is pathetic. Move on.

You're right...Le groan.

I would venture to say, if a neurosurgeon used a non-standard size of screw, it wouldn't be because the hardware store was all out. I would say, some thought was involved. I guess that means conventional wisdom was questioned. Sounds like he got his hand smacked and took a bullet for a patient.

He doesn't speak for paleo. No one can speak for the whole community or claim to own the idea of eating and living more in accordance with our ancestral and genetic composition.

Quitting Paleo or making an argument against it because of the actions of one person would be like quitting your faith because a religious leader was found to be gay, or molested someone, or spent donation money on trips to Las Vegas...using one person's actions to base your entire argument on is just silly.

Truth.

I was rear ended in a left turn lane 24 days ago, while I was on the way to my gym. 12 sessions of neuromuscular therapy and a shit load of cold therapy have alleviated much of the whiplash.I'm guessing the neuromuscular therapy accounts for %80 of the recovery. That's not my point. .......Through this period I've leaned out. My four pack became a six pack . Very little activity.Just my regular %100 paleo and lots and lots and lots of cold thermogenesis. It works people. GET USED TO IT. Try it , you'll like it! STOP THE HATE!

I hesitate to point out that the Kruse pointed out in the article is a "John" while the crazy CT leptin one is a "Jack"...

Just my thinking. Let's put Jack kruse on PaleoWorld trial for "actions" unbecoming a Paleo Guru". Clinton was impeached and put on trial for his proclivity toward skanks and Jack lied about the size of a screw. The horror! Let's exhume Rhenquist and put back on his chevron sleeved gown and get rid of Jack once and for all. If we can't get Bill Rhenquist, I can try to get his son Jim Rhenquist, who graduated Amherst two years earlier than me.(he was very good at basketball!) Who wants to assume the role of Gingrich? Life is way too short people, especially if you can't , or refuse too lengthen your telomeres.:)