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Has anyone read this? Although it Seems to be aimed towards low carbers I'm interested in reading his POV. Thoughts?

[http://180degreehealth.com/2012/02/12-paleo-myths][1]

[1]: http://180degreehealth.com/2012/02/12-paleo-myths /

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I like how the ad ends with "shamwow!" – Lyndsay May 7 2012 at 21:37

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I haven't read the book, and don't intend to.

The author, Matt Stone, seems to have carved-out a market niche by being something of a contrarian, especially with regard to low-carb and Paleo diets.

I read a blog post of his where he was soliciting Paleo failure stories for the book, so I imagine they constitute the bulk of the material. Clinical trials of Paleo diets are pretty scarce.

I know that Stone perpetuates at least one myth about low-carb diets, which is that they somehow damage the thyroid or otherwise cause symptoms of hypothyroidism. He also says that low-carb diets "burn out the adrenals" and cause a host of other maladies, as well, none of which is backed-up by much evidence, as far as I can tell.

I'm guessing that his standards of evidence are just as bad for Paleo diets.

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Actually, low carb paleo diets are contrarian. – foreveryoung May 7 2012 at 21:45
Seems like the majority of the comments posted are from people who failed on the diet. Is that his niche? – Acumen Athletics May 8 2012 at 1:16
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How the hell does one fail on a diet of natural wholesome food that can encompass any macronutrient ratio? Are these folks some kind of modern mutant outliers with Hot Pockets Deficiency Syndrome? – Alex May 8 2012 at 1:53
Yea Alex, Low carbers who quits their diet after a refeed. – Acumen Athletics May 8 2012 at 2:32
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When I first embarked upon paleo, in 2010, I learned that the basis of a paleo diet was vegetables. The "biggest" part, or base of the pyramid, was supposed to be veggies. Now, things have flipped and flopped, again and again, but after many zero-carb experiments, I still feel that the base should be veggies. Call me old-fashioned, but... gives hearty country grandma chuckle

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I agree. Both Robb Wolf and Whole 9 stress vegetables. I've seen too many people crash out going too low carb – julianne May 7 2012 at 22:42
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+1 for "gives hearty country grandma chuckle". LOVE it! – HeatherN1321 May 7 2012 at 22:51
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Pounds of veggies? What? If the base of your lunch is fresh salad greens (topped with reasonable protein), and the bulk of your dinner is a few cups of cooked veg (topped with a few ounces of meat), then how are you getting POUNDS of veggies? Do you mean CUPS? Pounds implies weighted veggies, lol. – Lyndsay May 7 2012 at 23:34
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I ate a pound of grass finished beef today. Grass is technically a veggie since its green & if you are what you eat, eats... – Acumen Athletics May 8 2012 at 1:24
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AA, i think you have this paleo thing figured out perfectly – Bill1102inf May 8 2012 at 3:54
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Books aren't paleo, therefore I am not interested.

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They have a cave pictograph version for kindle, if you're interested. – Lyndsay May 7 2012 at 21:59
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Oh, excellent. Let me go buy myself a kindle! – Chris May 7 2012 at 23:07
If you can't invest in a Kindle device, Chris, they do have Kindle for PC free to download. I personally like using felled trees to pulverize and press into paper, but you get limited digital clarity from that. Sheepskin vellum is also a nice choice, but, again, it doesn't do well in the scanner. Sigh Maybe the public library could help? – Lyndsay May 7 2012 at 23:26
Maybe they have a "books on stone" version? – HeatherN1321 May 8 2012 at 0:32
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I like that he uses "boner kill" as a symptom in his blurb, but beyond that, I don't feel motivated to read this book. The content represented doesn't sound like anything I haven't read before. One can avoid the so-called "paleo blues" by doing what any person with a normally functioning brain can do: basing lifestyle decisions on a critical review of research we obtain for ourselves--much of it free--from various sources, while factoring in our actual lived experience. If what you're doing doesn't work, do something else.

I actually question if the niche this book seeks to fill--ostensibly rescuing victims brainwashed by paleo--even exists. It seems to me paleo is a hard sell on a good day, and while I know there are uncritical people involved in everything, it seems to me most people receptive to paleo (and completely changing their lifestyle for health reasons) will also have enough curiosity to investigate what they're doing a little bit, and perhaps not just blindly persist, despite ever-increasing malaise.

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I read a couple of articles on his website a couple of days ago, in one of them he takes Mark Sisson's words out of context and bashes him so violently that besides being a hack I think he may have some kind of repressed hate towards Sisson.

Creepy stuff.

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"Many get ravaged by it…"

I'd seriously like to see these, I don't doubt there are some. But I am really interested in hearing the epidemic of ravaging Paleo is inflicting on an unaware public.

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Tthere AT LEAST 20 different versions of paleo with substantive differences (http://paleohacks.com/questions/105833/master-list-of-paleo-diet-variations-in-fifteen-words-or-less/105959#105959). The author seems to be limiting "paleo" to a much narrower concept. Paleo is always evolving (to use a term), that's one of it's essential characteristics, it adapts to new evidence. Unless this guy has some NEW evidence, i don't see what he's adding to the mix.

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well, he did say "shamwow," soooo.... how could you NOT buy it? – Lyndsay May 7 2012 at 22:56
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Matt is smarter and more experienced than 90% of ppl on paleohacks will ever give him credit for. The lucky will always have tunnel vision.

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Matt Stone, is that you? – TruthinessInc May 7 2012 at 23:37
the thing is, paleohackers thrive on debating the different elements of paleo and constantly reevaluating tenets as evidence crops up and new theorists emerge. The problem with Stone is that he finds the same flaws we all find with different paleo theories (e.g., tons of people on here really take issue with Sisson's "insidious weight gain" carb Rx) and instead of breaking it down and engaging in the discussion, Stone just says, "SEE! PALEO IS BAD." it's not productive and it's misleading. I read his blog sometimes to get perspective, but I am often frustrated by that tactic. – PaleoVenus May 8 2012 at 16:20
it's almost like paleo kicked him in the face when he was a kid or something. – PaleoVenus May 8 2012 at 16:21

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