Many of us are big fans of bone broth. I've been making it for a couple years now with nothing more than grass-fed beef bones, a bit of vinegar, and a 48-hour simmer.
We know that the gelatin content is a reason in of itself to consume the stuff, but the nutritional properties (in particular, mineral content) of broth made in this fashion has just been speculative.
Well, now we have a chance to find out. I found a company (http://www.foodtestinglab.com/) who can run the tests, and got their pricing. I'm willing to make the broth as described above and send it to them. The goal of this thread is to pool the money together. I figure we can use PayPal so that everyone is protected, but I'm open to ideas. (I'm pledging $50 to start us off, but don't use that amount as a benchmark -- any amount will help.)
Below are our testing options. I think it'd be awesome to get the Complete Nutritional Analysis and Mineral Package done, but I'm more interested in the latter. We can also add additional minerals ($35 each) if folks are interested. So another goal of this thread is to get a consensus on what to test.
So, let's hear what people think. Thanks everyone!
(Patrick -- I'd like to officially request this thread be linked at the top of the PH page.)
Complete Nutritional Analysis: $525
Protein Moisture Ash Total Dietary Fiber Cholesterol Fat profile Sugar profile Sodium Iron Calcium Vit A Vit C Carbs Calories Calories from fat
Mineral Package: $180
(Ca, Cu, Fe, K, Mg, Mo, Na, Ni, P, Zn)
Minerals, individual: $35.00 each
(Al, B, Ba, Bi, Ca, Co, Cr, Cu, Fe, K, Mg, Mn, Mo, Na, Ni, P, S, Sc, Se, Si, Sn, Ti, V, W Zn, other – inquire)
EDIT, 03/19 7:19pm: Chipin has been down all day, so I created a new funding spot. This is just for the mineral package. $180 - my $50 + $7 (fees): http://www.thepoint.com/campaigns/campaign-0-4066
You only get charged if we reach the funding goal. You get my name & address (which is where The Point sends the check). I don't know what else I can do. If you feel that a scam artist would come to PH and pretend to do a bone broth test to steal money from people, well... I'm not really sure what to tell you. :-)
I'm not sure how valid, if at all, such a test would be. The stocks I make vary immensely in consistence, even with bones that are superficially identical. I've had stock which turned into jelly, and I've had stock which is almost as fluid as water, and everything in between. Sometimes the fat flows to the surface and can be lifted off in sheets, sometimes it's just a thin semi-liquid foamy top.
It also changes depending on how much (if any) cartilage, joints and hooves you include, so your results will not be indicative of what you get at home. Finally, different source of meat (grass-fed) probably has a big impact.
But perhaps if you record the type of bones, how you made it, etc. in minute detail we could make guesstimates on how our own stock would compare. Research has to start from somewhere.
Does anyone else feel that, while very interesting, the cost outweighs the value received for these tests? We know that it is a source of nutrients... call me crazy, but that's enough for me.
I think spending $525 plus $400 for chondroiton and $250 for glucosamine, $180 for a mineral package and $35X[x] for other minerals really starts adding up.
Plus: our broth bones are sourced differently. I probably use a different amount of water, vinegar, cook it for a different length of time, at a different temperature or using a different method.
The idea is amazing, and I love that the community has discussions like this and tries to work together for the common good, but this is like performing an experiment one time & assuming that the results will ALWAYS be the same.
Hey all, I found this to be a decent analysis of bone broth: http://www.townsendletter.com/FebMarch2005/broth0205.htm
A study on the content of bone & vegetable broths: http://adc.bmj.com/content/9/52/251.full.pdf
"I found a company who can run the tests, and got their pricing."
Do you mind sharing the name of the company? Or a link perhaps?
No offense, but I could make up some numbers myself and get folks to "chip in" for them :)
May I say, not particularly? I don't happen to think our level of food science is very complete.
My personal n=1 says my joints and well-being improve when I consume home-made bone broth. After a week or two without it, problems start to resurface and I find myself hungry for bone broth.
Does it really matter what's in it that triggers such a great response, over and over and over? And, will we find/identify/understand whatever it is?
It's a fun inquiry and I'll read the findings with fond interest, most likely sipping bone broth while I do so.
I, too, would be interested. It seems to be recommended often here on PH and I would like to know the resoning behind it.
I made my first batch of bone broth last week and personally - the taste was a little much for me to handle. I choked it down, but it wasn't easy!
I'm completely open to consuming things that are optimal for my health, I just perfer to have data to back it up.
At this time, for me anyway, if i'm going to "learn" to like bone broth I would be interested to know for what reason!
I like this idea, but I think it misses some of the big benefits (IMO) of bone broths- glucosamine/chondroitin (what else am I missing?)
I agree that values would vary highly depending on how you make bone broth, but I still think this would be helpful to get an idea what orders of magnitude we're talking about when it comes to the tested elements.
A mineral analysis seems useless to me. Based on the study I posted above there will probably not be a lot of calcium or magnesium in it. If those 2 minerals aren't abundant, then I don't think any minerals will be.
Like PaleoGal, I am way more interested in glucosamine, chondroitin, ... It's probably a good idea to do this seriously and not just go with a mineral test. What would actually be even better is if one of the paleo gurus would take responsability and make a thread on their (popular) blog. Don't get me wrong, Terry, I really really like your idea, but I have no idea who you are. As far as I know you could just be someone who needs money fast and will run away with it. We all need some kind of guarantee if we're gonna "chip in".
And if you happen to do it, make it worthwhile. We need pictures and/or videos, everything we can get!
here's a great article.