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What were your experiences? Would you recommend keeping your diet on the low, so as to avoid arguments with medical staff? Would you ever mention that you eat liver or take cod liver oil (given the fear of Vitamin A), or mention that you're getting folate from food (not folic acid supplements)?

I guess I'm mostly wondering whether the stress of (potentially) having to argue my case to a medical person is worth the effort, or if I'm better off nodding and smiling and going on my way.

Anyone found themselves in this situation?

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Great question. Can't wait to hear the answers from ladies who have been through this! – DanielleO812 May 10 2012 at 12:35

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I nodded and smiled with my midwife a bit. I think I mentioned that I avoided gluten, sugar and "junk" which was fine with her! She trusted me when I told her I was taking a "prenatal", though I didn't mention it didn't contain DHA and I was getting that from fish and cod liver oil. I did take a folic acid supp because of the MTHFR mutation however, just to be safe. I think avoiding the stress of an argument is the way to go.

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Great answer! I wish more women would take this approach. – Dragonfly May 10 2012 at 14:49
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If you're seeing a traditional OB, you might want to avoid "Paleo" and go with you avoid processed foods and sugar and focus on whole, natural food options. Mentioning gluten-free might help. But if you're seeing a midwife, they tend to be more open to discussion and non-traditional approaches so you will probably find more support for Paleo there. At least that was my experience with both an OB and then my midwife. In fact, my ex-OB thought I was nuts hence my change to a midwife who actually began her own research in paleo/primal eating after our first appointment together.

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Ooh this gives me hope! – Stefanie May 11 2012 at 0:05
My very traditional OB at BWH in Boston (top maternity hospital) thinks my diet is awesome and loves that I do modified kettlebells. You wouldn't think it, coming from an OB with the Brigham, but I give them credit - they are just happy to see a healthy pregnancy, and encourage women to continue doing anything that is contributing to that healthy pregnancy. – Sarah May 31 at 2:07
(They are also very supportive of minimally invasive or natural childbirth IN the hospital. When I had my daughter, there was absolutely NO pressure for an epidural or pitocin... even though I was in labor for close to 80 hours. They calmly monitored me and let me call every single shot. My OB even got me ice chips and juice so my husband could stay with me in labor. – Sarah May 31 at 2:09
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I would recommend finding a doc/midwife/obstetrician that was open to discussing your diet with you. I find that there are some very open minded health care providers if you look for them. Because if you're maternity health care provider is not open to your diet, they are likely not to be open to alot of other wishes for your pregnancy, birth and beyond and that will be far more stressful than the arguement over 'paleo'.

If you come into the conversation well versed then there should not be any issues at all.

My maternity doctor was great, the only time she recommended taking any supplements was in the first trimester when I was extrememly nauseous and not eating. For the rest of my pregnancy she advised that a good diet full of whole foods was going to get me better nutrients than any vitamin or supplement on the market. We didn't talk diet much (and I wasn't 'paleo' then), but she did advocate no sugary drinks and loads of fruits, veggies and meats.

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Good point, diet is just one piece of the puzzle. – Stefanie May 10 2012 at 23:58
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I was open to my doctor about being GF, and following a paleo diet. I did however, take B and folic acid supplement (I cannot tolerate prenatal or multi vitamins) to be on the safe side. My doctor did test me a couple times to see where all my levels were, and everything was perfect. I did continue to take my B and folic acid. I also took a non-stimulant greens drink to make sure I got some extra veggies in my diet and added it to my smoothies (since I was not eating a ton of veggies). I was 42 and got pregnant naturally with my first. Because of my age I really wanted to make sure I was getting extra folic acid. And I ate a TON of sweet potatoes to keep my carbs up (along with fruit).

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My midwife loved it. She couldn't believe a client could eat so healthfully. Because of it, she was comfortable with me opting out of the GD screen at 28 weeks. Around 32 weeks, I started gaining really fast and decided to take the test. Because my sugar consumption was almost nil, my blood sugar reading was off the charts. Coupled with the weight gain, I continued eating paleo, but this time under strict orders. Turns out, there was no GD. Just a baby ready to come early (at 37 weeks).

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I don't understand the "because" in there. You're saying that you flunked a GTT because you usually don't eat sugar? I didn't think things worked that way. runs off to research FWIW I flunked GTTs with all my pregnancies though I didn't limit sugar consumption at the time, but never had GD. – tdgor May 10 2012 at 12:59
And, sorry, I assumed you had a GTT. Did you have a GCT? My reaction is still the same. You wouldn't fail a challenge test because of low sugar consumption in your regular diet. – tdgor May 10 2012 at 13:10
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Actually, tdgor, this is common because of the insulin resistance caused by low carb diets. Read this: robbwolf.com/2010/09/06/… – Dragonfly May 10 2012 at 14:44
Clearly I have a lot of research to do here. I thought that insulin resistance was bad. – tdgor May 10 2012 at 15:28
I found this: "Very low carb diets raise the concentration of ketones in the blood. This isn't a problem when we aren't pregnant--most of our organs can run quite happily burning ketones. But because ketones are usually produced when humans are starving, it is very possible that fetuses produced when the mother is in a ketogenic state may end up with environmentally-produced permanent changes to their genes (epigenetic changes, to use a technical term) that will predispose them to gaining weight once they are born, because ketones may signal the forming baby <con't> – tdgor May 10 2012 at 15:35
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I would not say Paleo - I would say GF and low carb

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I don't think you ever do yourself any favors by withholding relevant information (assuming it is truly relevant) from your treatment providers. Using the word "paleo" may not be necessary, however.

If some of your practices turn out to be a bone of contention, ask (respectfully) why and listen to the answer. It may turn out your provider actually knows something that you do not (e.g. current research in obstetrics). If not, or if your provider doesn't like being challenged, you can find another care provider.

Don't forget that the well-being of two people is at stake here, and one is very small and vulnerable. Self-experimentation is one thing. Experimenting on a fetus is quite another.

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FWIW, most doctors take one nutrition course in their entire career. They are definitely not likely to be up on current nutritional research. – Dragonfly May 10 2012 at 14:46
Meh. I've had treatment providers (my OB/GYN and opthalmologist) who are very well-versed in nutrition as it affects their specialties. – tdgor May 10 2012 at 15:27
I'm with Dragonfly. Husband had to take a short course and that was it. He readily admits his peers know very little. Those who do know a lot are self-educated. Those who are self-educated because of their specialties are not necessarily on top of the most recent literature. There are plenty of cardiologists who still tell patients not to eat more than a couple egg yolks per week. – Blossom1 May 10 2012 at 19:01
Aren't most of us self-educated too? – tdgor May 10 2012 at 19:56
I didn't say self-education was bad, so I'm not sure what response you're after. – Blossom1 May 10 2012 at 21:33
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We didn't want the fight. So we just said that we eat "lean meat, healthy fats, fruits and vegetables". Didn't go into any more detail and never got into any fights.

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Curious as to why you wouldn't take folic acid? I would think you might want to take it just to be on the safe side in case you aren't getting enough from food....I'm not trying to be argumentative at all, just genuinely curious. Not that I'm one to talk, 9 times out of 10 I forgot to take my prenatal in my second pregnancy and she was just fine.

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Folic acid isn't as ideal (since it needs to be converted to folate) as folate from a food source. Liver is a great source of folate. – Dragonfly May 10 2012 at 14:48
Good to know....but why not just take folic acid as insurance? – twochickadeez May 10 2012 at 17:46
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Also, I dislike this "on the safe side" talk...on the safe side of what, precisely? On the safe side of "I am eating enough liver to meet and exceed my folate needs, but I somehow feel it's good practice to dump a supplement on top of that." Getting your nutrients from food rather than pills is not a questionable practice. – Blossom1 May 10 2012 at 18:56
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Hi Mandy, there has been a lot of debate about folic acid vs. folate (they are different). My instinct is to believe that Mother Nature provides what we need, and that getting folate from foods is best. Add to this the arguments that folic acid causes various problems, and isn't synthesised into folate in the body very well anyway and... that's why I'm not taking the supplement. – Stefanie May 11 2012 at 0:02
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Not really defensive or touchy...just weary of the belief that supplements trump excellent food sources. It just seems obvious to me that folic acid supplementation, along with things like iron-fortified baby cereal, are SAD protocols. – Blossom1 May 11 2012 at 2:39
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I told my OB (Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston - one of the top maternity hospitals in the world) straight up what I eat, why I eat it, and she was happy with me. She was impressed with the dedication, both with time and finances, that we have to our diet.

She had no problem letting me out of the Glucola 25 week GD test and letting me do a fasting blood glucose and a 2 hour post prandial test instead.

She encouraged me to keep my diet and exercise up (modified kettlebells) as the pregnancy is going very smoothly.

Give your healthcare provider some credit - they just want you to be healthy. And think of it this way -- if they aren't going to be receptive and supportive of your diet, you want to find another doctor for your pregnancy, anyways.

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Can I ask you where you are (plan on) getting your folate from? As in which foods?

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Liver, spinach, et al. Check out the WAPF guidelines, that's what I'm following (but with less dairy as I don't tolerate it, and no grains except rice). westonaprice.org/childrens-health/… – Stefanie May 11 2012 at 0:00
Thanks, Stefanie. – DanielleO812 May 11 2012 at 3:25

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