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When going Paleo many years ago, nearly everything got better, except one thing which I have nearly given up on trying to figure out.

Post nasal drip is a huge issue for me and happens on a daily basis. It is worst in the morning after waking up and sometimes after I get the crap out of my throat in the morning, I'm good for the rest of the day. Other times, it comes back later.

There is definitely something there as when I clear my throat and manage to get it out, it's a nasty sticky ball of mucus. Sometime's it is so sticky I can't get it out of my throat.

If you can figure out what is wrong with me, you'll get a prize because this is really a huge issue for me that I need gone.

Here's what I've tried:

Diet: - Strict paleo with no dairy at all (not even ghee) - No nightshades, eggs, nuts, seeds, or white potatoes (auto-immune protocol) - Lean pork, skinless chicken breast, wild fish, or 100% grass-fed beef only (good omega 3-6 balance) - Cooking only with 100% grassfed beef tallow - No fruit except for small amounts of berries (fructose control) - Low carb or high carb has no difference

Environment: - Dustmite covers on boxspring, mattress, and pillow. Allergy duvet cover on hypoallergenic comforter. Sheets and duvet washed on average every week.

During times, when I've had the carpets washed, everything dusted down, fresh sheets and comforter, there has been some relief but really only for a day max. There has to be something that is making me hypersensitive to the allergies. Could there still be a food allergy even with strict auto-immune paleo for over 30 days?

When I feel like I'm overall inflamed (day of bad sleep, too much stress, etc), it is worse, so I figure there is something inflammation going on.

Any ideas?

Thanks everyone!

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have you had any tests on inflammatory markers? Have you had a skin-prick allergy test recently? Any supplements? – Bread-Eating Beelzebub May 11 2012 at 19:04
I supplement 5,000IU Vitamin D daily (rarely sun around here) and occasionally take Saccharomyces boulardii and Jarro-Dophilus Allergen-Free. No skin-prick test any time recently...I thought they weren't considered reliable. No test on inflammatory markers..what would that entail? – Gillius May 11 2012 at 19:21
the skin-prick test for environmental allergens is pretty reliable. C-reactive protein is a good test to get, though I'd get a full blood panel to see if there isn't something there like elevated WBC. – Bread-Eating Beelzebub May 11 2012 at 19:30
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I'd also look into Fungal Sinusitis – Bread-Eating Beelzebub May 11 2012 at 19:30
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@Gillius, it's the blood allergy tests that aren't reliable when testing for air borne allergins. Skin prick is the way to go from what I've heard. I don't think there is a really super reliable way to test for food sensitivity. Sorry. Have you seen an allergist? Hopefully one that is well regarded? I always turn to Angie's list and/or Yelp when looking for a good doc. – MeepsIsWellfed May 11 2012 at 19:50
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Quick questions for you:

1) Do you drink coffee? Some people with gluten/casein issues cross-react with coffee. I find I have to lay off it a while when I get inflamed or overly stressed because I start getting sinus problems, even with decaf.

2) Have you tried things like ginger tea? I am able to reduce some inflammation with that and similar infusions.

Best of luck! My husband has had off and on post-nasal drip issues for years. Still haven't figured out why.

Also, like Nourished Girl said--Neti pots are amazing. Not a permanent solution, but they'll certainly bring relief.

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Never had a cup of coffee in my life. I hate tea. It is totally disgusting to me :-\ Hoping there is a tealess solution! I have played around with neti pots but I always feel like I'm waterboarding myself. Need to practice – Gillius May 11 2012 at 21:00
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Ginger tea isn't real tea: it's just an infusion of ginger into hot water. It's more like gingery water. – Katie May 11 2012 at 21:14
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I stopped having post nasal drip (which was leading to me getting sore throats waay too often) when I included fermented food into my daily diet. It's potentially connected to acid reflux, as that went away at the same time.

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yes, kombucha might be something to try – Bread-Eating Beelzebub May 12 2012 at 2:58
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You almost certainly have chronic rhinosinusitis and IMO at this point it is not likely to respond to diet. The recommendation for fermented foods is worth trying, but if no response to that, then:

1) Get Immunocap quantitative allergen IgE blood panel appropriate to your area and/or get skin prick test panel by an allergist. BOTH of these tests are reliable with good sensitivity and specificity. These will tell if you have allergies accounting for the PND which is very common. Dust Mites are often the culprit.

2)If #1 is positive, then have SCIT - subcutaneous immunotherapy - this is highly efficacious and actually cures some inhalant allergies over time. It can be highly effective and can prevent new sensitizations as well as progression to asthma. CRS and asthma are actually the same disease, differing only which part of the airway is affected.

3) Whether you have allergies or not, a trial of nasal steroids is warranted for symptom relief. Antibiotics usually have no role.

4) All of this can be handled by your allergist, but an ENT consult might be warranted to see if you have nasal polyps causing obstruction. The initial treatment should be the same, however.

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PS. NAET is quackery. Avoid it. – Kurt Harris MD May 17 2012 at 0:50
Dr. Harris, Thanks so much for your ideas. I sent a message to my PCP asking if I can get these tests done...will have to see if insurance will cover it. As far as fermented foods go, do probitic supplements work just as well? I'm trying to avoid nightshades right now and can only palate so much sauerkraut and raw vinegars. I occasionally take Saccharomyces boulardii and Jarro-Dophilus Allergen-Free, but could up the dosage if that would be the same as eating more fermented foods. – Gillius May 17 2012 at 17:58
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Hi Gill, I have year round allergies and PND. I have noticed it's not AS bad without dairy. I don't have any dietary recommendations, but wanted to suggest Ayurvedic medicine which helped me greatly. There are two things that really helped me (didn't clear up my PND but helps it "move")

  • Nasya Oil - An oil blend that you drip in your nostrils, with your head tilted back, 1/2 tsp for both nostrils. It helps "move" the gunk out. I do it before I go to bed, and in the morning. I get my Nasya Oil from Banyan Botanicals, here. If you don't want to spring for Nasya oil you can also try good sesame oil. I like Eden's Sesame Oil. I tried Flora Sesame oil in my nose and it just BURNED - not good. It shouldn't burn, it actually doesn't feel like anything.

  • Neti pot/Saline rinse/nasal irrigation - This also really helps me help move things out. I like Neilmed's Saline Rinse bottle. Definitely make sure the salinity is correct or else it'll burn.

I don't want to recommend herbs (which also really helped me. I stopped taking the nasal sprays that my regular MD prsecribed to me) since I'm not an Ayurvedic doctor but the oil really helped me. If possible I would start seeing an Ayurvedic doctor (I see mine twice a year), only because they can really fine tune the regimen for you and just to be sure you're taking the right things :)

If you want you can also look up your dosha, I think you might be kapha.

Hope this helps!

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Acupuncture helps my allergies quite a bit.

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It's likely not a complete solution, but, if you can, consider removing the carpet in your home-- especially since you mentioned that having the carpets cleaned seemed to help abate your symptoms, perhaps removing them entirely will help. Best of luck!

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Mahybe it is dust mites. Or something. Also change you pillow case every night. – Eric May 12 2012 at 5:19
Yikes - every night? I'm going to have to invest in more pillowcases. I'm in a rental house - not possible to remove carpets. Maybe I'll try to find hardwood for my next house (I'm a college student so frequently moving) – Gillius May 12 2012 at 18:07
Yeah, carpets are a huge problem if this is allergy-related. – tdgor May 17 2012 at 16:16
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Have you tried keeping a food journal? I've had severe allergies for a very long time (even succumbing to allergy shots for over an entire year). But when I went Paleo, most of my allergies went away, but not quite. I would notice that every once in a while, I would get severe nasal congestion/post-nasal drip.

One day, I noticed that I was completely clear, ate a meal and then had an orange for desert. Ten minutes later, I was stuffy/sneezy. It lasted for a short while, and then cleared up while I was at work. Later for dinner, I had a meal and then another orange for dessert. Again, I was stuffy/sneezy ten minutes later .Since it was a totally different environment than my home, I know it was the citrus. So I cut out citrus, and my allergies are fine! I don't even get allergy shots anymore...and am completely clear and can breathe free!

Just wanted to give you an example that you can have the perfect diet on paper, but you still may be consuming something that's not right for you. Try keeping a food journal to determine any patterns.

I would recommend consuming lots of gelatinous bone-broth and probiotic-rich foods (because I believe allergies are ultimately a sign of leaky-gut). Hope this helps! I definitely realize the misery of year-round allergies....

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I'm not sensitive to gluten or dairy, I'm just allergic to living in Alabama. Days I am outside without planning leaves me miserable for a week. I'm talking about red watery eyes, rhinitis, swollen sometimes midline tonsils, headache, cough especially at night, sore throat, the whole nine yards. Interestingly, my dad and my toddler have the same issues. I tried natural routines like local honey and Neti Pots, but without medicine it didn't kick it. The only thing to make life bearable for me is: Zyrtec 10mg, Vit C, Vit D, and for when I'm sick, basically COPD medicines, I have a albuterol and bronchodilator inhaler and nasal steroid. Edit: studies have shown most antibiotics do not penetrate the sinuses. However my doctor will prescribe cipro for long-term sinus infections.

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My Dad had this type of, what he thought, was post nasal drip for years. Finally one day he goes to a new doctor and the doctor says its caused by acid reflux. My Dad takes some medication for acid reflux and viola, problem gone.

Maybe check that out.

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I like to recommend NAET (www.naet.org) (Nambudripad Allergy Elimination Technique), very non-invasive. It can be very good if it is, in fact, environmental allergy.

I love my neti pot; I put two drops of GSE in it, and a little ascorbic acid (vitamin C). I just mix salt with the water, I've not had any trouble with salinity (my nose must not be fussy). It was disgusting and difficult for me in the beginning. Practice is good. I have days when it starts to gag me, I just stop and dump it out. I get too dry using it daily, but when I get sick, i LOVE it.

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I've had the gross post nasal drip issue for years. Allergy tests didn't show anything, so the doc started me on some steroid to treat a possible sinus infection. It didn't work, just made me sick and I couldn't keep any food down after a week of the med.

Anyway, i searched for a ton of things before, and what I've found helps has been: -garlic supplement -oil of oregano, in the oil form - you put 1-2 drops under your tongue. and then you breathe oregano for hours, kind of gross, but it definitely cleared mine up for the entire day last time i took it. -echinacea supp

someone suggested slippery elm lozenges, apparently vocalists take them before singing...i haven't found them particularly helpful, but who knows, they might be

i've also read about the below, bought them, but haven't taken them, oops: -hyssop -fenugreek/thyme supp -Quercetin With Bromelain -Eyebright -Nac (N-Acetyl-L-Cysteine) -Propolis Extract Ultimate Strength

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also, forgot to respond to the neti pot thing - i hate neti pots. any time i use it, even if i don't add salt, the burning in my nose is so bad i cannot continue. i hate them and they do not work for me. i don't like tea either. last time i did a super strict whole30, around day 12 i noticed the post nasal drip was really minimal compared to the average. (then i fell off the wagon, and now it's back.) ps, i'm not a doctor, i don't know too much about herbs, but read about the above and then a few i mentioned seemed to help me. – krys May 16 2012 at 19:13
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Take enough vitamin D3 to test in the 60s or 70s in your blood. Where is my prize? This is going to work.

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I already take 5,000IU per day. Is that not enough? – Gillius May 17 2012 at 17:59

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