One of the biggest arguments for the paleo diet is that humans are genetically the same for about 2 million years and lived off that same diet. Evolution takes a very very long time. For over 90 percent of that time Humans lived in a TROPICAL climate with fruit year round. Humans didnt leave Africa until about 50k years ago.
I dont understand how you can call yourself paleo and not eat fruit, which was one of the main parts of our ancestors diet.
Because this is paleohacks.
I can't tell whether half these threads are trolls or just mother nature letting her ''special'' children have a place to play.
I'm not scared of fruit. No sirree, I totally dominate berries and I figure with all my crossfitting I'll be able to take on a grapefruit one of these days. Long term goal: a melon.
I didn't know there was a we that were all afraid of fruit. On the other hand, I'm not sure how much time you've spent in Africa, gorging yourself on the wondrous bounties that nature provides. They really are spoiled for food availability over there. On my third hand, I might note that while we may have eaten plankton in our evolutionary past and retain an impressive array of abilities, as a species we were largely genetically selected to survive the ice age hunting mega-fauna. And my fourth hand might remark that fruit today would be scarcely recognisable to our ancient ancestors.
You can argue against all these of course, but just ignoring them doesn't make for a very convincing rant.
I'm not going to comment on the goodness/badness of fruit. But I always cringe when one of these fruit questions comes up. First some statements from "the authorities":
For some reason, paleo-folk have no problem with ignoring the (bad) advice in the first three, but hold dearly onto #4 (or at least the people asking the "what's bad with fruit" questions over-and-over).
If we can accept that whole grains are bad, saturated fat and red meat are good for you, why do (some of) the paleo folks have a hard time accepting that fruit may be bad for us?
If you want to go all "evolutionary approach" on it, you're only going to have fruit available (in large quantities) at the end of the summer when it's all (naturally) ripe. That's when you stuff your face with it to fatten up for winter.
For me it's just personal experience, and symptoms like I'm having today.
Yesterday afternoon I was in the grocery store, saw some perfectly ripe mango and thought, why not? It's been two years since I had one back home in California, and about a week since I've had any kind of fruit at all.
I bring one home, peel it, eat it. It's delicious.
By ten in the evening I've got a massive craving for sugar of any kind. ANY kind. I nearly tore into some Larabars but decided to just go to bed instead.
I slept like shit, then I overslept. This morning my joints hurt, my head hurts, I'm ravenously hungry and I never ever wake up hungry, I'm craving the damn Larabars already, I'm stiff, I'm irritable (on a Saturday morning), my eyes are crusty and I have the beginnings of a cystic blemish on my chin. [Edited to add: Also, my tongue is furry and I'm having a hard time waking up even after two hours.]
This particular constellation of symptoms happens to me every time I eat more than a very, very small handful of berries or fresh-juiced lemon (I do lemons pretty nearly every day). Seriously, every time. Bananas, apples, figs, pomegranates, grapes, doesn't matter.
I don't avoid fruits for evolutionary reasons, science reasons or dogmatic reasons. I avoid them because I quite simply don't like how they make me feel after I eat them. Which is pretty "Paleo" by my definition.
Some people have a problem with fructose and the amount of carbs, so I imagine that's why they try to avoid it. I try to make it a treat since I'm trying to lose weight.
But God knows once I hit my target weight, I'll probably eat it every day. :) I kind of agree with you on that. I don't understand why some people say we should only eat fruit in season, when some people have it year-round in quite a bit of the world.
Er, I'm not. I already ate 3 bananas and an orange today... and it's only 2pm.
I think it's worth pointing out that if we modern humans tried to eat the fruit that our ancestors were eating "year round" (year round? dubious claim), we would probably have a hard time putting it in the same category as the apples and bananas we pick up at the store. The sugar content of the fruit we eat today is significantly higher than that of the wild fruits that were available back in the day.
That said--I think your premise that all paleo folks are fruit phobic is pretty unfounded.
I don't think there is a conflict between fruit and Paleo. I eat tons of fruit. I think that if you are trying to drop weight as fast as possible you want to avoid it because the fructose will slow that down. However, I think there are so many other foods to avoid that fruit is really the least of my worries.
I think the taste, nutrients and fiber that fruit brings makes it one of the best things you can eat if you are at or near your target body composition.
I think the major reason is that fructose is easily over-consumed, resulting in obesity and diabetes in modern society. The paleo connection is that our ancestors would only have had fructose-rich foods available seasonally. Affordable access to fresh fruit in temperate climates is very recent - only over the last 50 years - not paleo by any stretch.
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