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Just wondering about peoples experience with their body temperature and their tolerance to cold temperature when on ZC or VLC. Are there any warm bodied ZC or VLC people?

Rosedale basically says that low glucose results in a lower body temperature......and that this is a good thing (for healthy people: healthy adrenals and thyroid). http://drrosedale.com/blog/2011/11/22/is-the-term-safe-starches-an-oxymoron/
“Glucose scarcity (deficiency may be a misnomer) elicits an evolutionary response to perceived low fuel availability. This results in a shift in genetic expression to allow that organism to better survive the perceived famine…. As part of this genetic expression, and as part and parcel of nature’s mechanism to allow the maintenance of health and actually reduce the rate of aging, certain events will take place as seen in caloric restricted animals. These include a reduction in serum glucose, insulin, leptin, and free T3…The reduction in free T3 is of great benefit, reducing temperature, metabolic damage and decreasing catabolism…. We are not talking about a hypothyroid condition. It is a purposeful reduction in thyroid activity to elicit health”

Paul Jaminet basically agrees that low glucose results in a lower body temperature, tho he does not believe this to be such a good thing. http://perfecthealthdiet.com/2011/11/safe-starches-symposium-dr-ron-rosedale/

Plus there are anecdotes on this site on the subject, with people talking about feeling colder, cold hands, cold feet, cold nose etc or actual measured lower body temperatures.

But (the question), is this true for all people on ZC or VLC diets....are there any ZC/VLC’ers who did not experience this lowering in body temperature and their tolerance to cold temperatures did not get worse on ZC/VLC.

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I've had the opposite response. When I was lean on a traditional BB diet I was always freezing, but now I am comfy during the day and super warm at night (which is frustrating). – Ashley May 29 2012 at 4:04
i wonder if the studies/reports that state lowering of; free T3, metabolism and body temperature are associated with low Glucose have taken calorie intake in to account. As i have also seen mention that calorie restriction may also result in these things. – daz May 29 2012 at 6:23

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VLC + Low Cal (Cron-inspired fasting) = very cold.

Normal VLC w/high fat = normal.

VLC + High Protein (PSMF) = furnace.

In my experience, anyway.

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cron=Calorie Restriction with Optimal Nutrition, right? – daz May 29 2012 at 22:57
yuppers daz, not to be confused with "CORN" - Calorie Overboard Radioactive Neurosis. – Joshua May 29 2012 at 23:04
with your 'VLC + High Protein (PSMF)', what would your calorie intake be? (ie. normal, restricted, higher than normal,....?) – daz May 30 2012 at 8:07
on a PSMF calories are well below maintenance. PSMF stands for "Protein Sparing Modified Fast" and is the basis for Lyle McDonald's writings as well as the T-Nation "Velocity Diet". – Joshua May 30 2012 at 17:49
So when you are doing your version of PSMF, ie. psmf+VLC, your calories are still well below maintenance...? As you had written VLC+PSMF, I did wonder if you were making up any calorie deficit (from the psmf bit) with Fat (from the vlc bit)? So, if your personal experience is that your calories are well below maintenance when you are doing VLC+PSMF and your are still 'running hot' ("furnace")? That is interesting to me, 'cos that seems to go against some views i have see that calorie restriction slows the metabolic rate (...may lower T3...may lower body temperature etc) .....interesting – daz May 30 2012 at 23:13
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The low body temp thing is a crock and measuring it on a daily basis has zero diagnostic value in and of itself.....

But since I have done stints of VLC I'll state it has never...ever...ever....resulted in me feeling colder than those around me. I never wear a coat (mid west), and am not uncomfortable in the cold. In fact, I would say I tolerate extreme temps HEAT AND COLD better than most I know.

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thx for the feedback JayJay, good to know – daz May 29 2012 at 3:35
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Agree with JayJay. I'm a big Volek fan, lift weights regularly, eat tons of coconut oil and I'm on fire. No cold hands or feet. Coconut oil is awesome for this, actually. I cook in it and also eat 1 tablespoon a day as a snack. Have you tried adding it to your diet, daz? – Wowza May 29 2012 at 3:42
Wowza, I have used coconut oil in the past, but cannot recall if it had any warming effect on me. I'll buy some more & give a go. I currently do use MCT oil, but this does not seem to have any warming effect. Do you think it could be the Lauric (C12) &/or Myristic (C14) fatty acids in the coconut oil that may be doing the "warming", these make up about 49% & 16% of coconut oil, but don't really exist in MCT oil to any extent. what do you think? – daz May 29 2012 at 5:59
Daz, coconut oil sites'll tell you it's the lauric acid. I don't know for sure - I take B Complex, fish oil, Vit D3 4,000, magnesium, and rhodiola. I'm all about coconut oil, and I'm warm. N=1, it works for me. Others I know eat a lot of fresh ginger too. If you have iron-deficient anemia, then iron will warm you back up. If you're not eating enough calories, eat more, esp. coconut oil. Or you can just rock out w/Rosedale & cruise on to 125 as a test of his radical life extension. Sounds great to me! Starches don't work for me - I love my designer jeans way more than any 'taters. :) – Wowza May 30 2012 at 2:11
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I've been eating VLC since January.

I have a fairly high cold tolerance--"t-shirt weather" for me starts at around 50F, and I never took my warmest coat or sweaters out of storage this past winter (I'm in Seattle, where it gets wet and chilly, but not what I'd call serious cold).

I don't know how much improved my heat tolerance will be, as it hasn't warmed up enough here to test it. But cold? Not a problem.

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When calories are held constant, lowering carbs will lower blood serum levels of T3, but there is no evidence that an otherwise adequate low-carb diet will lower body temperature or basal metabolism.

In fact, the evidence we do have shows that, other things equal, basal metabolism is a function of calories, not carbohydrate.

http://wp.me/p25oah-7l

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First, I have always run hotter than most people, from childhood.

My idea sleeping temp would be about 50 degrees and I have slept in temps far below that very comfortably.

I've been a low carber solidly, without breaks, since 1999. I'm maintaining a 110 total weight loss now and maintained a 90 lb weight loss from 02 -Oct 11. 5'6" 128-130lbs. I eat at a continuously ketogenic level, though over the years, I have experimented going as high as about 75gms/carbs/day, but never continuously.

Now I stay at 50 or under as it works best for me all the way around.

I basically don't cheat period, except on special occasions, and then, it will still be a low carb (no sugar etc) cheat, like a great cheesecake with an acceptable sugar sub, etc.

High fat eater.

Here's some info that explains what many if not the vast majority of weight reduced people experience.

"One of the key underlying problems is that when people lose weight, their energy expenditure does not simply fall to that of the energy expenditure of a person ‘naturally’ at that lower weight - it drops to levels far greater than expected.

Thus, a formerly-obese person burns 20% less calories than a never-obese person of that lower weight - or in other words a 200 lb person, who loses 40 lbs burns about 20% fewer calories than someone who is 160 lbs, but has never been obese. On top of this, the formerly-obese person experiences hunger, cold intolerance, and other behavioural and metabolic changes that make sustaining this lower body weight difficult.

From an evolutionary sense, this makes a lot of sense, as maintaining or ‘defending’ fat stores in the past has always been vital for human survival and therefore complex biological systems have evolved to readily take up and store excess calories when available and reduce caloric expenditure when times are tough."

http://www.drsharma.ca/obesitywhy-is-it-so-hard-to-maintain-a-reduced-body-weight.html

Given the fact that I seem to have been born quite remarkably heat intolerant, I believe that has served as a protective factor for me. As well, my protein and especially fat intake are probably also significant factors.

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