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I've read that this and all grain are bad for you and I'va also read that it's one of the most perfect foods to eat. Does anyone actually know an answer to this??

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Nobody knows. The idea that grains are bad for you is just a premise for the Paleo diet. Phytates, lectins, and whatever are just speculation. I do kind of doubt though that a grain would be a “perfect food.” Grains are cheap filler calories. – Paleo2.0 Jun 8 2012 at 13:04
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Safe? I'd say any of us, or the millions of other humans both now and throughout history, can tell you it's safe. Whether you'll like it, feel good eating it, etc is more a personal issue for you. I don't think cooked quinoa has anything inherently deleterious to you. – ben61820 Jun 8 2012 at 13:25
Yeah, I am thinking about giving this stuff a try and in my gradual introduction of grains back into my diet. WOuld this be the place to start, as it is non-gluten and only a "pseudo grain"? – foreveryoung Jun 8 2012 at 17:43
whether someone on some internet board calls quinoa a "pseudo grain" or a "grain" or an "apple" doesn't matter. Quinoa is highly nutritious. Many people eat it with no problems. Eat it and see. You'll be happy once you stop fearing something and just eat it. – ben61820 Jun 9 2012 at 16:46

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Quinoa still has phytic acid content to it. Rendering it potential to bind to vital minerals (like zinc and magnesium) making it undigestable. That's one of the largest issue with grains (aside gut disturbances).

Quinoa, from last time I did research, is one of the lesser of defenders (gluten free, part of the spinach family, better in protein quality, etc.) It (neither any grain) still doesn't beat meat (that sounded funny!) in nutrient density, though. At the end of the day, I'll stick with a big steak or burger.

If you are going to eat it, I wouldn't eat it religiously, however I would soak it and prepare it for 12+ hours to release some of the phytates in it and increase its nutrient bioavailability.

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CHRIS PITTS, seriously, do some research about paleo before asking these basic questions, it's clear from this and you're other posts that you've done none

Start here http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-primal-blueprint/#axzz1xCmn6af5

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Durr i.imgur.com/JzTVJ.jpg – Kasra Jun 10 2012 at 16:18
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The issue with the digestion is one thing. However, that can also be applied to many other foods that are considered "Paleo." That has to do with the individual. If you notice issues with them, don't eat them. Regardless of whether others approve of them or not.

The biggest issue with Quinoa is...WHY??? The short answer, and one most people who can't fully give up their grains hate to hear is that there are many other foods I would rather eat than Quinoa that taste better, are more nutrient-dense and have no side effects at all in-terms of blood sugar, digestion, etc. So why eat the Quinoa?

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Quinoa is cheap and easily available for a lot of humans. THAT is the why. – ben61820 Jun 8 2012 at 13:28
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There are cheaper, more nutrient-dense sources of food available for a lot of humans. That was my point. – KA24 Jun 8 2012 at 14:09
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Not many cheaper proteins (that include lysine) – Jeff Jun 8 2012 at 17:34
KA24, I'm all ears: what food do you have in mind? Please go ahead and educate us. – ben61820 Jun 9 2012 at 16:52
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It has saponins, which are like the toxins in grains, they are meant to prevent it from being eaten, these can, of course, be removed, through proper cleaning. My personal opinion of it is that it is high in carbs, which is good if you have higher carb needs, but I would not eat too often. Also if you are trying to stretch a budget I see how it could be helpful as well.

Try making cauliflower "rice" instead, shred a whole head of cauliflower with a cheese grater and cook lightly in butter

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Eating cauliflower in place of any grain, quinoa included, will net you way less calories. It's not a substitute at all. – ben61820 Jun 8 2012 at 13:28
@Ben: You're thinking way too linearly, it may not be a caloric equivalent, but cauliflower IS a substitute for taste and mouth feel for rice, pasta and other higher carb (and non paleo) side dishes. It's also an inexpensive way to stretch out proteins. – LiveFabuLESS Jun 8 2012 at 17:57
linearly? I don't that's quite the term you're looking for. Nonetheless, what you're intimating is the reason people lose weight on LC or paleo: they don't realize that in making these new food choices they are unconsciously eating less calories than they previously were. – ben61820 Jun 9 2012 at 16:52
Ben, women tend to need more carbs then men for health Ben, women tend to need more carbs then men for health paleoforwomen.com/… Athletic women need even more than that, if someone had a really tight budget or higher carb needs because of athletic endeavors, I cannot condemn them for eating a little quinoa here and there. I dont eat quinoa personally, but not everyone has the options and resources that I have either – Team Oberg Jun 10 2012 at 13:23
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You have started coming to Paleohacks and asking questions. Awesome. But have you done any real research into the paleo way of eating before you started asking questions? If not, cool, it is the typical American thing to ask questions and be spoonfed the answers w/out performing any of the real research yourself. End rant.

A lot of people are going to come down pretty hard on you for asking this question. So I'm going to respond with a little bit more of an open mind.

I think hardcore paleo eaters are just as bad as the pot smoking, hippie, vegan crowd. They are pretentious and think that their diet is premier. Take the paleo diet as a framework for determining what works best for you. Do a 30 day paleo challenge. Eliminate all grains, legumes, and dairy. See how you feel. If you want, add back some of the "safer" whole foods that aren't considered paleo. I'd suggest adding back one food at a time and seeing how you react. Since going paleo for 4 months, I have added quinoa and rice with no negative side effects. I've also added fermented soy and properly prepared beans. I'm an avid endurance athlete so these higher carb foods have actually made me feel a lot better. My sleep is better than it was during my low carb/high fat paleo kick (3-4 hours per night and now I'm sleeping 7-8 hours) and my recovery between workouts is pretty awesome. The paleo diet is an awesome experiment into what is the best form of fuel for you. What works for some of these people might not work for you. You also have to ask yourself who is responding to these questions and what are their goals for paleo. Everyone comes into paleo for their own reasons: Lose weight, get healthy, become a crossfit super athlete, increase libido, blah blah blah. And some people answer the questions with their own personal agendas behind the scenes.

In summary (b/c this isn't already too freakin' long), do a 30 day strict paleo diet. Assess how you feel. Determine your goals. Go from there. In all, if you are eating whole unprocessed food, regardless if it's rice, quinoa, sweet potatoes, celery, etc.. you're doing better than the average fat guy munching doritos and twinkies

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That's the best comment on Paleo I have read so far mate, well done !! :-) – CHRIS PITTS Aug 18 at 7:39
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Robb Wolf mentions in a podcast something like how quinoa is one of the latest vegan fads and supposed superfoods.

I like Tim Ferriss's take: http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2010/09/19/paleo-diet-solution/

"Quinoa pops up frequently and the refrain goes like this, “Robb! Have you tried this stuff Quinoa (the pronunciation varies depending on how big a hippy you are). It’s NOT a grain! It’s fine, right?”

Well, you’ve likely heard the expression, “If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck…” Quinoa is botanically not a grain, but because it has evolved in a similar biological niche, Quinoa has similar properties to grains, including chemical defense systems that irritate the gut. In the case of Quinoa, it contains soap-like molecules called saponins. Unlike gluten, which attaches to a carrier molecule in the intestines, saponins simply punch holes in the membranes of the microvilli cells. Yes, that’s bad. Saponins are so irritating to the immune system that they are used in vaccine research to help the body mount a powerful immune response. The bottom line is if you think grains or grain-like items like Quinoa are healthy or benign, you are not considering the full picture."

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Saponins come out with soaking – Jeff Jun 8 2012 at 17:35
ugh, it's so silly when people just hear something on a podcast once and then quote it to the world as if it's established fact. Cultures have thrived on a diet high in quinoa, high in rice, high in wheat. If one is a healthy normal person they should be able to digest what millions of other healthy normal people digest. If they can not, they have an issue in their body. The food is not to blame. – ben61820 Jun 9 2012 at 16:49
Which cultures have thrived on wheat and quinoa and what percentage of their diet was those foods as opposed to meat and veggies? Americans are consuming large percentage of wheat and not thriving on it??!! I don't know of any thriving culture who got 70% of their calories from wheat and/or quinoa? – Lady_Arwen Jun 10 2012 at 3:54
The Inca considered it the "mother of all grains." I don't know if they got 70% of their calories from it (is that a totally arbitrary number, or does it reflect something specific?), but they ate plenty of it. Most indigenous American people did not cultivate animals, and did not eat the amount of meat commonly eaten in Europe or today worldwide. They also didn't have access to the fats/oils we take for granted--no lard, no coconut oil, no olive oil, etc. The Inca didn't fall because of their quinoa consumption. – Christopher Gagnon Jul 4 at 22:42
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Quinoa baffles me. Why and how did it become so popular? Why is it a societally endorsed super food? Even if you aren't specifically affected by grains, why obsess over eating Quinoa? As it pertains to me, grains seem to be relatively innocuous, at least in the short-to-mid-term. That being said, why eat them? And, if you are going to eat them, may as well make it something appealing, say beer or a pretzel dog? If you are going to eat something that has negative attributes, you may as well at least derive maximum taste enjoyment.

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It is a staple protein source for many cultures in S America – Jeff Jun 8 2012 at 17:35
it's a cheap source of protein for one. starch too of course. Actually, come to think of it it's a darn near perfect little bundle of calories, no? – ben61820 Jun 9 2012 at 16:50
Who obsesses over eating quinoa? Why eat it? I dunno, maybe people like it. – Christopher Gagnon Jul 4 at 22:43
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Quinoa needs to be soaked and/or fermented before boiling. It's loaded with anti nutrients and irritants like many whole grains.

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nonsense. I've never read of any culture that soaked or fermented quinoa. Rather, a simple wash, as many do with sushi rice, is all that people do. Rinse, cook, eat. You won't have any problems. – ben61820 Jun 9 2012 at 16:48
Are you suggesting that quinoa that is not soaked and fermented won't irritate the gut lining - especially for those with autoimmune disease? Who are you endorsing quinoa for and in what quantities? – Lady_Arwen Jun 10 2012 at 3:56
Quinoa is pretty high in phytates and saponins and according to WAPF were traditionally considered toxic unless pre soaked. – Andreas Jun 10 2012 at 20:06

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