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I've been eating these rice noodles lately, thinking they are a low-histamine, safe starch: alt text

These two pictures show how the rice is dried (kinda gross):

http://impressive.net/people/gerald/2007/01/13/11-34-52-sm.jpg

http://daniel.haxx.se/travel/vietnam/017-big.jpg

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Should I assume these are a low-histamine food?
Rice contains protein, right?
If the rice is dried on the street, wouldn't it build up histamines?
Once histamines are produced, do they stay around forever, even through the further processing?

What do you think?

Thanks, Mike

flag	asked Jun 15 at 11:40 CaveMan_Mike 4,643●13●51

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So much histamine talk, did the site change to HistamineHacks when I wasn't looking? ;) – Matt Jun 15 at 12:55

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I'm sorry Matt. I'm trying not to clog thing up too much, but trying to implement a low-histamine paleo diet is pretty tricky stuff. Luckily, there are a bunch of paleo folks here who are histamine sensitive, or know, and have been very kind sharing info. BTW, I now suspect I've been dealing with the histamine thing for 3 years without recognizing it as such. It was only after going paleo and changing all my foods around that the light-bulb went off. (I was never a big spinach/tomato eater before :-) – CaveMan_Mike Jun 15 at 13:58

well, the way I see it, if Mike gets it worked out, we benefit from his experiment (those of us who have interests in histamines that is)...go go go CMM! – Kelly Jun 15 at 18:22

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Thanks @Kelly - very kind. I very much want everyone to benefit from the end result of my quest. I made my raw notes public in this evernote folder: www.evernote.com/pub/pcguys/histamines – CaveMan_Mike Jun 15 at 19:02

Who cares about the histamines? Think about all the heavy metals, petrochemicals and assorted other crap (literally in case of birds etc) that are being picked up from the road. Ewwwwww – Karen Jun 15 at 21:58

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Kelly · Answer 1 · 2012-06-15 18:12:03Z UTC

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I found this list of low level histamine foods, rice noodles are on it:

http://www.histamineintolerance.org.uk/about/the-food-diary/the-food-list

rice absolutely has a % of protein, when I was at my worst with histamine issues (and I didnt know) I was eating nothing but rice and was blowing up like a balloon.

My thought would be to try and eat freshly made foods on the low histamine lists and you'll likely be fine!

hope it works for you!!

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Kelly
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	Thanks @Kelly. I'm beginning to suspect none of this stuff is black & white. I just found this test result on rice milk, which normally shows on the low list: "20 packs of rice milk tested by our lab: 13 packs had 18ppm histamines or below (good) 7 packs had over 30ppm histamines (bad) rgds Dirk Immunologist www.immunecliniclondon.com – CaveMan_Mike Jun 15 at 19:09
	very true!!, so potentially some can be ok and others not....we're doomed :) – Kelly Jun 15 at 19:23

CC · Answer 2 · 2012-06-15 13:20:19Z UTC

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My son is allergic to rice (skin test verified), so I would have to assume that it both contains proteins and is histamine producing.

answered Jun 15 at 13:20

CC
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Skin prick tests are unreliable. – Dean Jun 15 at 14:17

thebiogenicaminewoman · Answer 3 · 2012-06-22 01:10:27Z UTC

Hi there, rice is high in histidine, a histamine precursor. Some people with histamine issues react to rice when eaten in large quantities. Also make sure the rice is not left over from another meal as bacteria increases the histamine content of food. I generally find that most processed foods mess with histamine levels. You can message me at 'the biogenic amine woman at gmail dot com' if you want more histamine info. I'm launching a low histamine meal planning service that's pretty compatible with the paleo diet. You can also check out the biogenic amine woman dot com for more info. Hope this helps.

Lol, sorry I see we have already chatted! I'm also pineapple girl on the allergy uk forum :)

Liloo · Answer 4 · 2012-06-22 06:06:34Z UTC

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You only really need to worry about histamine if you are actually allergic to the substance. There are people who are allergic to the sun and the sun has no histamine...the body just produces it because it thinks it is harmful. You can try quercetin/rutin as natural anti-histamines.

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Liloo
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Allergy usually refers to an acute and often immediate reaction to the protein in the substance. An intolerance (such as to salicylates or histamines) does not involve a reaction to the protein but rather the food chemicals/substances. There's a great explanation here: failsafediet.wordpress.com – CaveMan_Mike Jun 22 at 11:17

Could rice noodles contain histamines? (pic. included)

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