Alright guys --- was hoping this would blow over and we could move on from this sh*tshow, but apparently not, so here it goes:
Some of you may be aware that popular Paleohacks user Dr. Jack Kruse (AKA the Quilt) had been escorted off the Low Carb Cruise.
It looks like the facts are:
There was a Twitter account called @ShitKruseSays that collected Dr. Kruse's most ridiculous quotes.
Although the account was an obvious parody, they also engaged in role-playing and a tweet last week apparently read "security confiscated dynamite. talk won’t be as explosive as one at PaleoFx. still have vial of Legionnaires for epic biohack. #lccruise12."
Which was in reference to his use of the word dynamite as rhetorical device at PaleoFX and MRSA in his TedX talk.
Then, someone unknown, who apparently called themselves "Lance", called Carnival and warned them about a potential bio-hack, presumably implying it was a real threat and not a parody. Carnival alerted authorities who investigated and cleared Jack. Unfortunately, Carnival decided to remove him from the ship because they thought the situation was questionable.
Apparently, the next day they offered to fly him back to join the cruise at the next port, but Dr. Kruse declined. In the meantime, the FBI has been trying to find out who the "Lance" person is who made the warning call, including attempting to find the person who tweeted the parody tweets in case they have leads on "Lance". If you have information on the matter, we can give you the agent's contact info.
For the record, I called the agent and left a VM volunteering my help, as did other PaleoHacks mods.
Why even bother mentioning this?
This is a far cry from the picture Dr. Kruse is painting, which is that he has fed the FBI a list of his critics, major paleo leaders from Boston, Chicago, and NY and that they have traced IPs and may put the people involved in jail for twenty years. The FBI has not subpoenaed the SKS twitter account yet, so there are no IPs in question to talk about.
Kevin Cottrell, an organizer of PaleoFX, has written (very hysterically): "Let's see if Paleohacks is even standing after this investigation."
*sigh *facepalm *shaking of my head at the inanity of it all *double facepalm
PaleoHacks is not under investigation, the FBI is not coming for anyone, and while what happened to Dr. Kruse was terrible, it is unfortunate he is using it to threaten and scare people. And in fact, this says a lot about Kruse himself. C'est la vie.
The FBI also was not aware of the TedX talk that that SKS tweet was parodying and PaleoHacks mods informed them.
In light of these events, we have closed and deleted several threads that were either accusing Paleohacks of being behind the controversy or would have been a nightmare to moderate.
Let me absolutely crystal clear: PaleoHacks has been more than fair with the disturbance that Kruse is on this forum. There is NO conspiracy against Kruse. <---- Read this again.
If you would like to talk about the Quilt protocols and about this matter, we suggest going to his new forum. As far as the matter of what really happened, we think it best to let the FBI to handle the case and not speculate.
Those of you being completely awesome, keep at it. Those of you not so awesome, pay attention to the awesome people and you might learn a few things.
That I am taking the time to write this instead of spend time with my 6 day old daughter makes me really angry.
I’m not sure which night it was…Sunday, Monday…I’m not sure because I’d been up for the better part of 36 hrs after Zoe finally arrived. Anyway, I received a phone call from Jack Kruse. I had a wiggling baby in my hands so I let it go to voicemail and tried to make a mental note to check the message in the morning. The next day I read an email from Jack indicating he’d been removed from a Carnival Cruise ship due to the tweets of a parody twitter account, @shitkrusesays, and a phone call to Carnival claiming Jack had biological agents and explosives. You know the drill on the story by now. Jack was removed from the ship, no biological agents or explosives were found. This situation was all the result of an asshole(s?) who found their time better spent fucking with Jack than getting legit work done like helping people.
When I first heard all this I was wondering if the story (Jack getting removed, bioterroer etc) was even true. Shortly it became apparent that yes, it was true. Jack texted me and said the FBI were involved, I replied “Nail their ass to the wall” because if I could get my hands on the @shitkrusesays and I had no legal recourse for my actions, it would not be pretty. This jack-ass has created a hell of a situation and ironically the Law of Unintended Consequences is having a laugh, at least initially at your expense. You landed Jack on the media, gave him a phenomenal story and an opportunity to curry support and favor.
Smart work asshole(s).
I seem to remember counseling against behavior like this, allowing attacks from anonymity, but that was ignored and someone pointed out I’ve changed my position on fish oil dosage, so everything I say should be held in contempt.
I then received an email with a link to the Kruse news piece. I tweeted it saying something to the effect “some folks have done some stupid shit.” I did this because…well, people have done stupid shit. This situation did not, as I just wrote above, materialize out of thin air. People who dislike Jack made all of this happen. If you do not see the accountability here you are a moron on par with the folks who do not see how training the Taliban against the Soviets might have had long term repercussions for us. When I shot out that tweet I was under the impression that an investigation was underway, we’d see some results sometime soon. Then I became aware Jack was naming people HE suspected might be behind things…to the MEDIA. That is NOT how you conduct a criminal investigation. You clam the hell up, don’t let potential suspects know what you are up too and then you allow law enforcement to do what it’s supposed to do. Instead Jack used this as an opportunity to silence his critics, waving around the specter that they would be under FBI investigations soon. Lists of angry/problematic bloggers had been (theoretically) provided, the shit was about to come down.
Now I think Jack made a huge mistake doing all this. On a number of levels. But despite my reservations about people getting named publicly in this thing I felt stronger about getting the whole bioterror story out. People need to cool it on the anonymous, back biting bullshit. We need to operate with some professionalism and focus on helping people, period. I had a number of folks finger wagging me that I was being duped into this thing. If you people think I’m a big enough moron to not see the conflicts here you are beyond lost and you also missed the fact that IF what Jack was claiming was inaccurate, then his goose was cooked. Credibility gone, we don’t even need to tackle MRSA injections. I thought that through, apparently you folks did not AND are squeamish with sitting in the hot seat to affect change. I guess after multiple dealings with CrossFit HQ, both on the internet and via lawyers I have thicker skin and can handle some heat if it means winning the fight. Apparently you are only willing to fight for a cause while it’s comfortable?
All of this is a big enough steaming bag of shit, but what pushed me over the edge was tweets by some of Jacks main folks to the effect “Anyone in the paleo scene not commenting on this should be beheld suspect.” To the folks who said shit like this, thank your stars I’m not naming you directly. Most folks will be able to put the pieces together, but that was the final straw. THAT started feeling like the WitchHunt, McCarthyism that I experienced in my CF dealings. No more. I’ve tried to just keep my head down and do good work help folks and HOPE that folks are able to figure out the right answers in this. Well, let me spell some things out: 1-Jack used this as a power grab. He was HORRIBLY victimized in this, I will not forget that nor let it go. But he also used this situation to his advantage and to the serious detriment of the Ancestral Health movement at large. 2-Thugish McCarthyism tactics were used to silence people. This is beyond appalling and is completely unacceptable. 3-Jack has made outlandish claims about self injection with MRSA, surgery sans anesthesia. This seems outlandish at best. I have just left this alone, again preferring to let folks try to figure things out. My Organic Chemistry teacher made an interesting observation of my character once: “Robb, you give most people far too much credit…” 4-On Cold Thermogenesis: I talked about this on my podcast and on Abel’s podcast. It is ANOTHER hormetic stressor. Like fasting, ketosis, exercise and sunlight. Some is good, too much will be bad, some people are not appropriate for it at all (late stage adrenal fatigue comes to mind). If you think this is arm chair speculation please look at this photo: http://robbwolf.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/wolf-wanker.jpg
that was posted in 2007. We have had a cold dip tub at NorCal Strength & Conditioning since 2004. I have tinkered with cold immersion since the early 90’s. I also studied heat shock proteins and clathrin chaperones. It has benefits, it is not Chuck Norris’ Tears. Cold immersion, saunas and fasting are parts of every system of health (accepting allopathy I guess). There is nothing new under the sun, gurus do not exist, if you are looking for one you are lost, and I don’t mean like you misplaced your keys, like your fucking soul is lost.
I’ve considered Jack my friend, we’ve had several phone conversations and I’ve thoroughly enjoyed them. I doubt I’m going to be popular with Jack, or much of anyone after this and I just don’t care. I’ve done my damndest to do the right thing and to try to provide some kind of safety valve/glue for this movement. If we are too stupid/irrational to sort out our shit then we deserve mainstream medicine. We deserve what we get and we reap what we sow.
I had a huge post on Paleo and sustainability I wanted to get up today. Instead I’m pissing away my time on this. I am not happy and I’m disappointed in a number of factors. But I have a 6-day-old daughter who is a miracle and I’m going to redouble my efforts to make the world better.
This story still confuses me, but one thing is crystal clear- between this guy and Nikoley with his tweets in regards to this, the Paleo-sphere is drowning in assholes. Thank goodness there are terrific moderators to help pull the drain.
I was one of the mods who spoke with the FBI agent first and I can confirm all of this is true. No one needs to worry.
Omg, finally! Some sanity in this whole mess. Thank you! This 'episode' has gotten beyond ridiculous. I myself was even implicated by Kruse because I dared to say I thought the original tweet regarding this was obviously not meant with malace. According to Kruse I need to brush up on my knowledge of FED law, because I have been "feeding" the shitkrusesays twitter account and it was implied this could lead to a 20 year prison term. Come on! I am nearly 30 year old mother who frequents twitter and happens to have strong opinions, I live in the UK. So because I am not afraid to call bullshit on Kruse that makes me a 'suspect' with a potential prison sentence. THIS IS RIDICULOUS. I am far from the only person not involved who has been accused. That is unacceptable. It is a shame he got kicked off the cruise, the sh** stirrer in this is the one who informed the boat. Not the person who sent the obviously paradoxical tweet. I just can not believe how far some people have ran with this one. Shocking.
I am the supposed "ringleader from NY" mentioned in one of the interviews. As of this posting, nobody has contacted me. Which is no surprise as I have nothing to do with the what increasingly appears to be a publicity stunt and/or a way out of revealing Factor X (contract?) on the cruise as promised.
I'm not worried about any legal action -- civil or criminal. I am a tad worried about what legions of riled up internet folks are capable of.
If you are here to discuss Paleo, welcome!
If you are here to talk trash and promote your pay-for-diluted-medical-advice website, don't let the door hit your e-ass on the way out.
Dear PH and everyone else,
If I may be so bold as to narrow this down to the basics:
The basics of paleo nutrition are as follows: Eat whole unprocessed foods and stop/decrease the ingestion of processed foods in order to mimic the diet of preagricultural humans in accordance with the evolutionary, physiological and anthropological evidence. There are variations to this basic theme and there is much more to understand. Therefore, Jack's CT ideas are clearly NOT paleo. I make no judgement about the efficacy of what he proposes. I can say that the mechanism used to justify it has some holes in it physiologically, biochemically and developmentally. Nonetheless, therapies sometimes work without understanding.
It is not OK to suggest bioterrorism in order to rattle or threaten someone. I would have preferred that this not have happened to Jack. If the responsible person is within this community, you have done the community a disservice by such an act.
It is NOT ok to take advantage of the situation. Jack, I request that you cease posting CT information in Paleo Blogs/Facebook/etc. Again, it's simply not Paleo and it's truly divisive. I know you care about this community so please take this advice seriously. It would truly heal a lot of open wounds. What you do on your own blog is yours and more power to you.
Implicating someone without due process is irresponsible and unethical.
The continued discussions of this event are hurting our community.
So, I suggest dear friends, that we simply cease the discussion. Please be patient as things sort out. Take a break! Let some time go by! Come back in 72 hours! Let's see what happens. Please stop speculating. Get back to the basics of Paleo! Write positive blogs about how this nutrition program saved yourself or your friends and family.
Get back to the basics that made this movement work! We still have the ADA and the USDA myplate.com to take on! THAT is our true target for this movement! Sustainability is our goal. Diabetes and obesity is our target. Lean bodies is our goal. Healthier lives are our objective.
Suddenly, I feel like John Belushi in Animal House... "Who's with me.... LET'S GO!"
Yours in Paleo, Dr. David Pendergrass
My name was mentioned as one of the "possible perpetrators" too, simply because I have openly voiced my opinion about Dr. Kruse. It seems like any time someone voices an opinion that is contrary to that of the good doctor, he or his loyal lackey Kevin jump on them immediately.
For some reason people have seemingly forgotten that the very premise of Paleo, was to go against the conventional wisdom practices of the "mainstream" and question everything. Now, a person who does not deserve to be a figurehead of the movement is using strong arm tactics to force people into believing the things that he says....while frequently using the "call to authority" logical fallacy. The people that follow him treat him like a cult leader, and that's straight scary to me.
I don't agree with his theories, his science, his attitude or his tactics, and I will continue to make that known....as is my right.
I'm proud to have people like Robb Wolf, Mark Sisson, and Chris Kresser, as leaders of our movement, but not a person who acts this way. The whole thing is a big three-ring circus right now, and it's going to do nothing but harm the movement. I don't even know what can be done right now, as far as damage control goes, but we would all be better served by distancing ourselves from this debacle.
At the end of the day, people like that will always self-destruct, if you just let them.....the problem is that sometimes they go up like Hiroshima.
I spoke with the FBI agent who is covering this case also.
Patrik has already provided the best answer.
"Kruse is a victim of himself".
I'm all for stirring the pot every now and then, but when you stir it as vigorously as Kruse does, you're bound to fall in.
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