So I'd like to tell people to eat their veggies, and then point out that that doesn't mean they should eat grains and legumes. But I also want to do it accurately. Which I guess means I have several questions regarding definitions of things in terms of colloquial, culinary, botanical, and any other usage. One thing that came to mind when I was thinking about this was the Paleo Summit talk by Mat Lalonde, where he said something like it's actually more appropriate for us to say that we avoid seeds (from memory, so not exact).
So, are grains and legumes vegetables? Are they seeds? Are seeds vegetables? I know that sometimes it's said that "vegetable oils" are really "seed oil" but is that just splitting hairs to CW people, or are they actually distinct but people would still get confused anyway because of stuff like vegetable oils?
Or maybe another way to put it, if I put a foot note to the word veggies with "(blank) are not veggies", what should go in blank?