Not a hypothetical "anyone out there", I mean any of YOU fellow PHers of course.
Simple question, does anyone consume a LOT of dairy and not just tolerate it but actually seem to thrive on it? And I don't just mean dairy fats like HWC, butter and ghee.
I ask because I have been pretty strict and careful with my diet for a pretty long time. I feel really great, and I am almost at my goal weight/body comp. I work out hard, play hard, and rest hard. So I am not really looking to lose more weight, but I would like to continue leaning out/getting stronger (without chunking up.) Aside from HWC and butter, the only dairy I consume is the rare little bit of cheese (very rare), and every now and then when I really feel like I need a treat, I'll have some Greek yogurt with cinnamon. I do also eat goat kefir on a fairly regular basis.
So I know no one can tell me what my body will thrive on, n=1 and all the obvious cliches. But the thing is, as much as I love steak, eggs, and my beloved greens, as much as I love bacon, and mushrooms, and all of my favorite paleo treats... I love yogurt. It's my favorite food. Full fat Greek yogurt, I could eat it all day every day and nothing else. I would really love to majorly up my yogurt intake (while still consuming lots of meat, eggs and veg.) I feel like it would be one of the best gifts I could give myself, as I really do feel pure joy when I consume it.
I am a bit nervous to experiment with eating too much of it because the only Paleo person I have seen on here who talks about eating lots of yogurt while leaning out is Nance; usually I just read about how it stalls weight loss or causes bloating. Note that I am a 24 y.o female, active, good but not great shape.
So, I would love to hear from anyone who consumes lots of yogurt or other dairy (milk, dairy kefir, cheese, whatever) and thrives on it. I would especially like to hear from other women, or anyone who includes it in their "leaning out" diet as opposed to a "bulking up/mass gain" diet, but any input would be helpful!
I have leaned out while consuming ridiculous amounts of heavy cream and full fat Greek yoghurt.Now I can see the veins under my skin above my inguinal ligaments, and I used to look like the ladies in renaissance paintings. I eat quite a lot of Havarti and Cheddar and some butter. It is only when I eat vegetables and fruit or any FODMAPs that I get bloated. I love steamed broccoli but my stomach balloons within half an hour of eating it. Oddly enough (maybe not so oddly if you think about FODMAPs) I can have some candy or soda (made with sugar, not HFCS here) without bloating, but I become lethargic of course.
I eat my yoghurt straight up, because if I add raisins or (god forbid) cornflakes, my favorite combination, I get very bloated and lethargic.
I grew up drinking whole milk with every meal. I quit while in my college freshman documentary-watching vegetarian phase and added it back in after getting comfortable with paleo/primal over a span of a year. I have honestly never noticed a bad effect, but ymmv. Actually, I feel like my skin looks better when I get on milk craving kicks. Every day I drink heavy cream in my coffee and a couple times a week I eat cheese, butter, yogurt, or drink milk. I keep everything organic when possible. On a SAD diet I am skinny fat, paleo+dairy I'm much much leaner. Just my experience. I'll take any chance to talk about my love for dairy ha.
Before I started Paleo, I had been steadily losing weight eating dairy everyday (a serving or two of yogurt and always cheese too), like almost 30lbs. I ate lots of veggies, fruits, greek yogurt, cheese, and things like flax seed and oatmeal with occasional wheat bread. I'm 29y.o getting close to my goal weight, pretty decent in-shape.
I tried VLC (no dairy) for over a month and hated it, I know some people love it but I learned through trial that it just isn't for me. I didn't really lose any weight, maybe a little fat and felt miserable the whole time. I do so much better with moderate carbs!
I hear you on the greek yogurt, I love love love it too. I went 30+ days no dairy/no grains and am now just starting to try and reintroduce some dairy. I'm not quite sure how I'm doing with it yet though. I ended up eating one huge meal yesterday that included over a cup of yogurt, I think I'm a little bloated right now but that could also be because I am expecting Ms. Flow. From my previous weight loss, I think (hoping?!) I will be able to tolerate some greek yogurt and occasional cheese. I've read that harder cheeses and yogurt are some of the best dairy options anyways.
I don't really like the idea of depriving myself of things I love and I've always been a dairy girl, loving cheese mainly, I can do without milk. Maybe try a 1/4 cup or so to start?
In short, the fittest, leanest, and strongest I have ever been was when the base of my food pyramid was basically greek yogurt and cottage cheese with a combination of anything from fruit, to salad, to stir fry, to meat, to just cinnamon....so yes...I believe you can thrive off dairy
I seem to tolerate it fine in small doses, not a surprise with my Danish heritage. While on a Whole30, I certainly lost a few pounds and was the leanest I've ever been as an adult (maybe a bit too much...), but a little cream in my morning beverage is totally worth it.
I use Greek yogurt in lieu of sour cream, in sauces and salad dressings. I don't do much cheese anymore, and try to keep it raw when I do. And ice cream on a rare occasion.
I know you weren't looking for anecdotal evidence, but I always think about this when I think of dairy: http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,2037749_2219823,00.html. 1500 calories a day of almost nothing but pure sour milk, and she's gorgeous, strong, and healthy (looking, anyway). Obviously there are myriad number of factors different in our lives versus hers, but it's at least evidence that dairy isn't evil to everyone.
I had my best weight-loss success when I ate a lot of meat, eggs, and cheese -- from 1/4 to 1/2 pound of cheese per day. Nothing special, just a cheap hard cheese like cheddar or colby from the store. I felt great and had as much energy as I've ever had, with no noticeable ill effects.
I also did a 10-day raw milk diet a couple years ago -- about two gallons of raw Jersey milk every day, and nothing else but water -- and felt great. It even seemed to clear up the chronic sinus congestion that I've had for years, which I had guessed might be caused by dairy. I really should do that again one of these days, to see if I get the same results.
In my opinion (and experience), Greek yogurt is one of the best dairy options, however you slice it. From the calorie/nutrient breakdown, it's one of the better protein and fat sources. I added it back after stint on strict paleo without any negative results. Cheese and milk don't go down the same way.
I eat full fat grass-fed yogurt and cheese everyday with no issues. Kerrygold makes some great grass-fed cheeses. I have no issues with these two things, although I have recently noticed a stomach issue when I occasionally indulge in regular pasteurized cream/milk in a coffee.
I eat about 1-2 oz of cheese every day (usually raw milk) and have (full fat) yogurt with fruit a few times a week. I strain the yogurt myself since I haven't been able to find a store-bought greek yogurt that I'm happy with.
All other things being equal (in other words, if I don't up my calories) dairy doesn't seem to have any effect on my weight at all, nor do I have any problem with bloating.
Have no problem with dairy products. Eat a fair amount of mostly hard cheeses made from whole and semi skimmed milk, and consume normal and half fat yogurt (2 and 4% fat) natural, besides fermented whey and kefir. On rare occasions I have fresh pasteurized milk in coffee and such.