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I heard this said on Joe Rogan's podcast when Robb Wolf was on there. Seriously, since no animals are harmed or killed to get them, how are vegans against eating them at all?

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Try to have a conversation about logical fallicies with any regious fanatic and you are not going to get anywhere fast. Vegans are equivalent to religious fanatics. (A few paleos are as well. You know who you are...) – Dave S. Aug 1 at 17:37

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Vegans, in general, from a philosophical perspective, believe that retaining ANY animal in captivity for the purpose of providing food for humans (including, for truly strict vegans, using honey -- which they consider 'stolen' from bees), is unethical. They do not believe that animals or creatures of -any- sort should be exploited for the purposes of feeding another species.

It isn't about whether the egg is fertile, or whether the chickens have been raised 'naturally' for food -- the issue is that, for a vegan, -any- consumption that exploits animals or 'steals' their 'babies' or their production is unethical. That includes milk from cows, eggs from chickens, honey from bees, leather, animal-based glue, etc.

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I go with the counter argument that there would be more polar bears if they were tasty for breakfast. – Dave S. Aug 1 at 17:35
Why can't I raise the above comments reputation? lol – krazkinkc Aug 1 at 17:46
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CAFO polar bears maybe – BoneBrothFast Aug 1 at 18:16
Thank you Firestorm for an informative and respectful answer. I don't understand all the vegan hate around here. They are just people trying to do better. We may believe them to be misguided but anyone trying to do better is o.k. in my book. And the raw vegans make THE BEST food ever! Add a little meat on the side and you'll be in heaven. – Shari Bambino Dec 12 at 21:38
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Because it's basically chicken abortion, man.

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How come they have abortions every other day? Don't tell republicans - they will come up with a new pro-chick law! – VB Aug 1 at 18:40
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Correction: It's chicken ovulation, man. Note how OP said "UNFERTILIZED". You can't abort something that isn't fertilized, be it a human or chicken egg. Durr. – Nemesis Aug 1 at 18:50
Haha, well I can't read today. Sorry about that. – Mscott Aug 1 at 19:37
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Vegans are against any animal being "enslaved" by mankind, even bees. As for egg production not harming animals, that is not the case with either egg or dairy production. Production of both eggs and dairy involves unneeded males and old females, which all end up being slaughtered.

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Yeah. Good luck eating all that vegan food that requires pollination by bees. – Dave S. Aug 1 at 17:39
^^^ LMAO! Touche! – krazkinkc Aug 1 at 17:50
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Pollination doesn't take any 'animal-production'... honey, though, is considered by most strict vegans as an "animal product" like milk and eggs. – Firestorm Aug 1 at 19:40
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Perhaps the fat has something to do with it. I can remember reading different blogs when I was a Vegan/Vegetarian and there was quite a bit of fear surrounding saturated fat & cholesterol. But that also happens in the mainstream too.

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Colin, that is actually NOT part of the equation, and the tone of your response seems un-useful and hostile. The arguments about cholesterol and saturated fat are more often used by vegetarians -- especially those heavily into promoting their own vegetarian fitness plan. Veganism is much more related to the sanctity of life, and, I think, in some ways is a response to the corporatization and industrialization of our food system. – Firestorm Aug 1 at 16:38
I apologize if it seemed hostile that wasn't my intention. In my experiments in diet I remember that being along with others a justification for that way of life when I went through it. Perhaps it was also a sorry attempt at humor.....my bad. – Colin Aug 1 at 17:10
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Colin was not being hostile, sheesh. He made an observation and a valid one at that. It would be both incorrect and irresponsible to say that pretty much all vegans aren't anti-saturated fat. – BoneBrothFast Aug 1 at 18:15
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I get a LOT of exposure on this one, having been a vegan (I trained as a midwife with a midwife from The Farm, as well as having several friends who were "PETA" vegans. For some folk, it -is- a nutrition decision -- less protein, more alkaline-raising foods, etc., but the vegans aren't any more 'fat phobic' than the rest of the US -- they're fine with olive oil, coconut oil (saturated), palm kernel oil (saturated)... it's strictly -animal- fats that get the kaibosh. – Firestorm Aug 1 at 19:23
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All of the vegans I know (there are few, I will admit) are anti-fat of any kind and happy to buy leather shoes. It's not about the sanctity of life for them, it's all about their view of optimal human nutrition. – Aleen Aug 1 at 22:08
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Vegans don't eat eggs at all, fertilized or not.

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What about lacto-ovo vegans? – Dave S. Aug 1 at 17:38
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Those are lacto-ovo vegetarians. Vegans are strict no-animal-products, to eat, wear, etc. – Christine M. Aug 1 at 17:57
What Christine says. – zoomia Aug 1 at 18:59
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The chicken itself will eventually be killed (and hopefully eaten) after it stops laying eggs.

A vegan might also just be against captivity in general.

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What if a chicken eventually will be set free? Like a free-range going wild? – VB Aug 1 at 16:42
I'd guess that a domesticated bird won't last long in the wild and will die anyway, but then again a vegan might say that being eaten by a wild animal is better than by a human. – Carl_Stawicki Aug 1 at 16:49
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...'cause its totally natural for a wolf to have a chicken dinner, but not for a human to do so. Clearly the level of intelligence we have evolved to has brought about a spiritual imperative wherein we no longer qualify as mammal. Have we learned nothing from the panda?! One has to wonder how many generations of strict veganism it would take to produce a human incapable of breeding... – raney Aug 1 at 17:42
HA! Maybe that's not a bad thing Raney lol. – krazkinkc Aug 1 at 17:49
I think that's a main argument, as well as the culling of male chicks because they won't lay eggs. It's an ethical argument, not a nutritional one (for many vegans, anyway). – blueballoon Aug 1 at 23:32
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Observationally, I have noticed many vegans and vegetarians, especially those that are veg from childhood, develop an aversion to protein of any kind. I was veg from age 12 to 25 and avoided most all protein sources in favor of quick acting carbs, which act like crack to the brain. I see it now again in my stepdaughters, who are vegetarian, and refuse to eat most all sources of protein, unless coated in sugar. When your body is constantly fiending for sugar, you will make up all sorts of reasons to avoid healthy fats and protein, no matter how silly it may seem.

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This hasn't been my experience with vegans, either. Most vegans I know are very savvy about vegetable sources of protein, and actually do- eat a good bit of protein rich food, especially in what used to be called "complimentary combinations" like rice and beans, wheat and legumes, etc. – Firestorm Aug 1 at 19:42
VEGETABLES ARE NOT A PROTEIN. – Chelsea Dec 13 at 2:58
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I drink smoothies with protein powder in them to get my protein. I'm also adverse to using animals of any kind in captivity for food. All Vegan protein powder comes from plants, so now animals are used.

To get a really good tasing one I went onto this review site http://veganproteinpowders.net and picked a high ranking one. I don't miss eggs anymore cause now I get my protein

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on organic egg farms in the uk which have better animal welfare standards than pastured-raised chickens. male chickens are killed at just a few days old because they are too scrawy to be raised for meat and are not able to produce eggs. they are often ground up alive, gased or thrown into dumpsters. female chickens are often debeaked a very painful operation in which the top part of the is cut off without the use of anesthetic. the average lifespan of a chicken in the wild is 20 years but egg farmers kill them at just 3 years old when the number of eggs they produce falls. due to genetic selection chickens on farms produce six times as many eggs as wild chickens do. to produce eggs calcium is taken from their bones. the consequence of the extra calcium being taked is that hens have weak and brittle bones and often suffer from fractures.

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