Is this a low carb forum? I'm quite concerned by the advice given to newbies regarding carbohydrates. Paleo, or what I prefer to call "hunter-gatherer diets" are NOT low carb... they are normally in the region of 30-40% carbs.
I'm really concerned because young people are coming on for example saying they eat 20g or 50g of carbs feeling crabby, or stalling weight loss etc and people tell them to eat more fat and these bad answers are voted up! That must mean lots of people are bloomin' carbophobes.
And what the heck is the story with fruit... one "expert" gingerly recommended "even 1 or 2 pieces is OK" Come ON people! Dr Lustig has you all mesmerized!!
Read Chris Kresser or Stephan Guyanet if you're are having a panic attack every time your are tempted by fruit. I overcame serious illness getting nearly ALL my calories from fruit and nuts and felt AMAZING, the best I had ever felt in my LIFE.
The carbophobe and fruitophobe combo is very serious imo, not funny, because kids as well as adults are getting crappy advice imo. What say you?
I've been reading Paleohacks since pretty much Day Uno, and in the early days, you could make a case that it skewed low carb. Not these days, however. After the Potato Wars, many Paleo peeps adopted safe starches (they ain't safe for me, but whatever...), fruit beyond berries, and stopped counting macronutrients.
Mike, there is NO "Paleo." There is only YOU, your body, your mind, the intersection of your actions and your environment and your genetics, and the curlycue whimsy of fate. Find what works for you and enjoy your life.
Anyone who hangs out here enough begins to realize that they have to stop following everyone's advice and find their own inner guru.
Doesn't mean you can't enjoy the conversations, though!
signed, a carnivore who doesn't do carbs but doesn't give a frack what anyone else eats
Seriously. This banter between low-carb and high-carb sucks. Some people do great on low carb, some people do great on high carb.
Putting this thread up just adds more reason for division over all of us "eat real food" people. Thus, it contributes to the problem. Yes, your post is a problem.
And I posted this as an answer - although it really should be a comment... simply because I welcome the downvotes I receive for it. All this venom over flipping macronutrients? Really?
I'm way more annoyed about the constant complaining from (relatively) higher carb folks about the supposed low carb bias.
This isn't a trend. This is normal. You don't have any idea what the carb levels in the paleolithic were. We are guessing. We've got some good, researched, educated guesses that it was less than 150g, but it is a guess. When people (newbies) say they need to lose weight, many of us- who have already lost weight- know that reasonable levels of carb restriction will help them with the goal. You are free to chime in with your own advice.
People can figure out pretty quickly what works and what doesn't for them, so focus on presenting your best argument rather than fussing about the fact that there are people who are advising things you don't agree with.
Disturbed? No. There's no gatekeeper of "Paleo". Present your evidence and let's discuss civilly.
Pardon the pun, it evolves, unlike nearly every other lifestyle movements.
The solution for all of these issues about which is "better" or "right" is all a huge N=1 situation. The only way to find the answer for any given individual is to experiment on your own body and see what works and what doesn't.
The problem, I think, is that instead of thinking and experiencing, everyone wants someone els to give them a "Magic Solution" that is going to work every time, for every person.
It's been my experience that PH is a valuable open forum - and it IS such for me because I read the information and use it as a TOOL to help me figure out how things are working in my own body -- not as a BIBLE from which I can't deviate.
I am more concerned with the parents here who starve their kids feeding them paleo, and then come asking for advice when their kids are hungry, there has been so many examples of this here.
The advice they get is crappy as well sometimes, luckily some people have been vocal about not starving your kids by feeding them LC etc.
It's never a good idea to think that you have found the ultimate human diet, and then force your kids on it too, vegans do this too, and they get so much shit for it, but when someone starves their kid on LC paleo it's somehow all different because paleo is "right".
If you have ever tried true low-carbing (and no 150 g is not it) then you would understand that someone shifting from a high-carb SAD diet will go through a fairly significant adjustment period where you feel like crap. (You also feel like crap when you quit smoking, so don't bother telling me that's an indication that you're doing something that's inherently "bad") Giving them some helpful tips to work through that process and get to the other side where they will start to feel really good is NOT bad advice. It is known as being helful.
Telling someone who has decided to try low-carbing but is having some difficulty that they are doing it all wrong and need to do what works for you is bad advice. People need to find their own way.
Most obese people are not going to thrive on fruit and nuts. I'm glad it worked for you, but you need to chill.
I used to think Paleo was low carb but reading many of these threads has opened my eyes to the wide variety of diets practiced here. The only things I know for sure about Paleo are: no highly processed "foods", no gluten, no industrial oils, no GMO's (if one can help it), and no HFCS and white sugar (and agave--gee, I keep thinking of more things!). I'm sure someone will have an exception to something on this list!
Everyone will have different goals and different tolerances so it's really unrealistic to think Paleo will be one-size-fits-all. I feel fortunate to have found this site where there are so many differences of opinion and usually with some science to back it up. However, any opinions given here have to be weighed against what is best for you, or as they say, YMMV.
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