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Hello friends its Uggla here , I have experienced pins and needles with ketosis each time I am it. I can seem to figure out why this is happening to me. I also noticed that the pins and needles seem to also amplify when stress or much activity happens but it is not to do with any stress or anxiety problems because when not in ketosis I do not have any problems with those things.

Has this happend with any of you, can any of you give me advice on this issue?

Thanks!

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I'm gonna try and apply the critical thinking ability I have sharpened over the years. Here goes... You say have pins and needles when you're in ketosis, and this is probably a negative attribute, otherwise I assume you wouldn't be trying to 'hack' it. Why not step out of ketosis and watch your problem magically disappear? I will quote an esteemed authority on the subject: "because when not in ketosis I do not have any problems with those things". Hope this helps =) – jackson Aug 15 at 22:47
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Oh you think I didnt.know that allready..? You can keep your smartass remarks to yourself. Maybe there is a reason I'd like.to be in ketosis or naybe your critical thinking ability couldnt for see that. Why do you even waste your time to write such.crap? – Uggla Aug 16 at 5:00
my crap > you; apparently. Wanting to be in a certain metabolic state which has 'proven' medical benefits for epileptics, as well as purported 'healing' abilities from every low carb guru on the planet, is clearly NOT crap, right? – jackson Aug 16 at 16:33
Not to mention you should be under a doctors supervision if you have no idea how to control your ketosis experiment, fool. – jackson Aug 16 at 16:36
I have lost over 48 kilos and have been eating paleo for over 3 years I am not "experimenting". Seriously if you want to make a point you can do that with refrences to real information not scarcasim and internet bullying like a teenaged boy. – Uggla Aug 16 at 17:02
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Uggla, I've never heard of such a thing, so I can't apply any experience. However, wikipedia lists some potential causes, and the ones that stand out to me as possibly applying are: hypoglycemia, micronutrient deficiencies, and dehydration.

So would suggest trying one of these:

  1. If you test your blood sugar and it's low, I would suggest eating more frequently.

  2. You could try taking electrolytes (especially potassium, and magnesium) and see if it has an effect.

  3. You could just try drinking more. Dehydration is fairly common with ketosis, especially at first, because of the diuretic effect.

Interestingly, some anticonvulsants have been associated with this side-effect. Since ketosis is a potent anticonvulsant, there may be mechanisms in common. In particular, topiramate can cause it, and it has been found that supplemental potassium can relieve it. So I would try number 2. first.

Note that potassium problems can originate with magnesium deficiency, so try both. Volek and Phinney recommend taking Slow-Mag, three at bedtime for 20 days to fix a deficiency.

If you try this, please let us know whether it helped.

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Is it definitely "pins and needles", or more of a twitchy, bubbly sensation? I get the latter (fasciculation according to a search I did once) fairly frequently when I go into ketosis, along with some attention-grabbing leg cramps at night. It seems to be a electrolyte imbalance issue, and making sure I'm getting enough potassium, magnesium, and salt usually makes it stop.

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Yes it's definiely pins and needles, painful andshocking pins and needles. – Uggla Aug 16 at 5:17
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There are a lot of causes of paresthesia. Given that this occurs primarily when you are in ketosis, I would suggest first looking into vitamin deficiency and/or malnutrition. If this occurs regularly, you may also want to get your thyroid tested by your doctor.

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My thyroid had swollen during 2 different fasting expeciences, I could hardly breathe. I take zinc, magnesium, calcium, cod liver oil, and a B complex everyday. Could too much protien on a vlc diet cause this? – Uggla Aug 15 at 20:05
Uggla, It is far more likely that low fat is causing your symptoms. If you are not consuming enough fat you will not be able to absorb those supplements. Also, it's far more important to get your nutrients from whole foods rather than supplements. Just a question. Do you get into ketosis from low calorie or from high fat? – CD Aug 15 at 20:16
Also, please get your thyroid checked. Swelling is typically due to low iodine levels, but could also potentially be symptomatic of hypothyroidism, only a proper evaluation by a doctor can diagnose. – CD Aug 15 at 20:20
Hi thanks for the response. I eat fat, about 4 ounces of heavy cream each morning in my coffee, about 3 table spoons butter with my eggs about 2 to 3 tablespoons of virgin coconut oil with my lunch and dinner. I do not trim fat off my food and I mostly eat it all. I also eat pretty natural and healthy, at least I think so :) – Uggla Aug 15 at 20:33
Too much protein tends to cause hypoglycemia, Uggla. Your experiences seem to be in line with mine. Is your sleep okay? My sleep was a mess back then. – Korion Aug 16 at 18:38
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I wonder if it would have anything to do with mobilizing heavy metals or other toxins from your adipose tissue stores when you are in ketosis. If it increases with higher activity levels that also makes me think it could be a "detox" thing. I think some NDs do testing for heavy metals working their way out of your system with hair analysis (although I don't know how effective the tests are).

My other thought, since you also have migraines, is that there could be some twisted muscle fibers in your neck, shoulders, or back that are pinching the nerves going down to your extremities, and the sudden loss of water weight that happens when going into ketosis could cause the muscle to tighten down further, and compress those nerves even more. You might want to get evaluated by myofascial therapist to make sure nothing is caught or twisted...and in the meantime make sure you are up on your electrolytes.

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I was going to suggest thyroid, also get checked out neurologically, you don't want to ignore this kind of thing.

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I just got a MRI on my brain because of migraines I get all the time but have not gotten the results yet. But I have obly had my thyroid checked by rutine blood work about 1.5 years ago and they said they saw nothing. – Uggla Aug 15 at 20:12
Uggla, Migraines plus paresthesia means it is likely either Hypothyroidism or Iodine deficiency. I am amazed that a doctor would order a MRI for migraines without properly conducting blood tests for nutritional deficiencies (although I have seem much worse). – CD Aug 15 at 21:16
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I asked this in the past, because I had this too. It only disappeared recently but I still occasionaly have it a bit. Using potassium helped a tiny bit, but not enough at all.

Possible causes include hypothyroidism and vitamin B5 deficiency (see here for the last one).

Since low-carbing tends to worsen hypothyroidism (though I think ketosis is better than VLC), I wouldn't low-carb for a while.

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