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i get why wheat is bad for you, but why is rice considered "bad"

japanese people eat rice multiple times a day, and are the healthiest people in the world.. does not make sense.

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A lot of people here don't think rice is bad. – Mscott Aug 24 at 23:09
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no their not..... – JayJay Aug 25 at 1:40
Stop listening to CW! It is killing you! – alligator Aug 25 at 3:18
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IDK about them being the healthiest people in the world. factsanddetails.com/… Just from a quick google, they have a high incidence of strokes, a reasonably high incidence of diabetes, and a relevatively high rate of tuberculosis. On the plus side, they have only moderately high rate of IBS (ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19920955) versus the prevelance in italy, and on average they live longer. – Jamie Aug 25 at 3:24
Its hard to single out reasons for their somewhat longer lives. Fish might be part of it, there collectivist culture and practice of buddhism might also be involved. One thing I find facinating is that smoking is extremely prevelant in japan, and yet they have relatively low rates of lung cancer, and very low incidence of heart disease. Maybe thats down to all the fish and veg, but its a bit of a mystery to me. – Jamie Aug 25 at 3:34
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rice (especially white rice) is just empty calories, there's nothing bad about them, not really anything good either. Cook the rice in bone broth and at lease you get minerals -- but I'd rather just drink the broth.

Japanese people may be healthy due to something else that is in their diet -- like high O3 to O6 ratio that has nothing to do with rice.

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Probably all of that fish and seaweed they eat. I highly doubt the rice contributes to their longevity, lol. – Nemesis Aug 25 at 0:12
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You're allowed empty calories. Especially toxin-free empty calories. You should only eat nutrient-dense food argument has always been wrongheaded. What is the easiest and harmless glucose source of all? If believe, as PHD does, that about 100-150g of carbs is ideal, then you have a choice of either tubers or white rice, the two most ideal sources of glucose. – Mambo Aug 25 at 1:25
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Those in Japan used to be healthy because they ate white rice, lots of fish and vegetables. It's the toxin-free nature of rice which made them healthy: instead, they could have eaten modern wheat variety, which is higher glycemic and has more effect on BG and whets your appetite even more. – Mambo Aug 25 at 1:27
I don't mind 100-150, but I take the gross rather than net rout. Fiber still counts in mine (kinda like PB instead of PHD).....not a huge difference though TBH, since I dont bother with much vegetables. – JayJay Aug 25 at 1:49
Fiber does make a lot of difference. Start eating a couple of avocadoes and total up your carbs and compare to net. You don't think it makes a difference? Still, if your only carb sources are them, they won't kick you out of ketosis. – Mambo Aug 25 at 3:02
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Rice is the safest of the grains, but even rice is not completely safe. The main problem with grains comes from genetically modified/selected wheat, the one we have in the last 50-150 years. The ancient forms of wheat, like farro and spelt, when lacto-fermented were not as bad as modern wheat with its super-gluten. Most people are intolerant with wheat without knowing it (some say that 7/10 people are intolerant and that it's the next big bubble to burst after the cigarettes thing in the '60s), while others become intolerant at some point in their life, because of its "super-gluten", as it's now called, that is not easily digestible.

I don't think I should be re-iterate on this any further, just do a google search on the subject, there are way too many articles and knowledge about it to fit them here.

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Wouldn't oats be one of the safest? – Tyler F Aug 24 at 23:33
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None are really safe. However, a few of them are safer than others, WHEN a certain threshold hasn't been reached (different for each person). For many of us, eating grains for 30+ years, that threshold is reached, and we can't tolerate any grain anymore. "Safe" grains, in my opinion, only means non-selected (ancient) varieties of grains, fermented, in low quantities, AND only for people that just start out their life and they haven't already crippled their immune system with modern gluten/grains for years. As you can see, there are many "if" and "buts" there before I call something "safe". – Eugenia Aug 24 at 23:42
So you're admitting then that grains are NOT bad because they are a carbohydrate which (according to some) causes in insulin which causes fat, but rather because they contain gluten (or 'super-gluten??). So, really you're not making a mark against grains or carbs at all, you're making a mark against gluten. Correct? – foreveryoung Aug 24 at 23:43
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Eating too much of everything is bad, yes. Even water can kill you if you drink too much of it. It's just that for grains, the threshold is much, much smaller than for any other food. They're simply badder than the rest. I EXPLAINED the conditions that one has to go through in order to eat grains. It's NOT just about the quantity (you seem to try to push on us that "eating little of it is ok"), but also it's about the variety eaten, the fermentation of it, and if the person has already eaten modern grains for too long or not. So please stop trying to make it sound one-dimensional, it's not. – Eugenia Aug 25 at 0:24
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I'm not making it one dimensional at all- I'm making several clarifications, including the variety eaten. But eaten for too long makes no sense. One could eat 1 slices of sprouted bread a day for a lifetime and have no noticeably negative effects. However, one could not eat 2 loaves of sprouted bread for 10 years without noticeably negative effects. It is the quantity, not the time eaten. – foreveryoung Aug 25 at 0:42
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I don't like answering with a link, but this can explain it better than i can

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-grains-are-unhealthy/#axzz24Vl0BUlQ

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I am not going to re-read that mumbo jumbo, but I read it several years back when PB first came out (yeah, I bought it at the bookstore when it was first released), but from what I recall of his argument (phytates, gut irritants, "anti-nutrients") then Sisson should also be condemning ALL nuts, even his beloved low omega 6 mac-nut, which contains some of the highest phytates per gram of any nut. – foreveryoung Aug 25 at 0:02
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He condemns nuts,he mentions they are high in phytic acid, he says they should be a sensible treat in our diet. He also adds that if we only ate grains by the handful and not as we do in the present, they wouldn't constitute a problem – Alvaro Aug 25 at 0:41
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Calling it mumbo jumbo just because you don't understand or don't agree with it, says tons about your character boy – Alvaro Aug 25 at 0:41
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It's all about amounts, you don't eat nuts by the pound, he condemns that, you eat a couple of oz. per day, but grains, people eat them in volume. That's my point, does it make sense to you? – Alvaro Aug 25 at 0:49
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Lots of people eat grains in volume. Breakfast pizza/sandwich for breakfast. Lunch: some noodles and maybe a sandwich. Dinner: Huge ass bowl of pasta. And a snack in between of maybe some oatmeal or a protein bar (often contain grain flours and gluten.) – BoneBrothFast Aug 25 at 17:25
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I love when obvious trolls get all you fools to answer their silly questions ;)

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Second that.... – Alvaro Aug 25 at 1:51
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Define "bad for you?"

You can argue that unless you are consuming the most nutrient-dense AND nutrient-variable foods, you are eating stuff that is "bad" for you.

For someone with blood sugar issues or other metabolic issues, the answer to the question should be obvious...

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Grains are not bad for everyone. Yes, gluten grains are bad if you're gluten intolerant or have gluten sensitivity, but that's not grains- that's gluten. Glucose is needed for the brain and muscles to function optimally, and especially if you're an athlete or are very active, it's critical to well-being and performance. So, if grains are your only source of glucose, then they're probably more beneficial than detrimental (non gluten grains for gluten sensitive/intolerant). Just my opinion. However, there are probably better sources of glucose for the athlete, like roots/tubers- maybe even dextrose/rice syrup- but if you can't get em, I'd say choose better grains (i.e. not the neo-wheat that exists today) as opposed to zero glucose.

IF you're content with being inactive and lazy, then sure, don't eat glucose, but suffer the consequence of a lower quality of life. Or, at very least- not looking very good naked.

I think that grains only become a problem when you have one or all of the following a) gluten issues (in which case, just choose gluten free options, b) they start displacing large amounts of other food choices and/or c) when you are innactive/insulin resistant and can't use the glucose that they provide efficiently.

So, if you're a normal human being mean to do what normal humans beings are designed for- moving around, being active, thinking/problem solving- then you should be able to handle grains just fine as long as they don't displace large amounts of other nutrition foodstuffs.

NOte, I am not advocating a high carb diet, I am saying that eating grains is not inherently harmful, and the benefits of SOME glucose probably outweighs the cons of consuming a grain (anti nutrients?...which won't actually be a problem in an otherwise nutrient dense diet...or just soak/sprout them).

You mad, bro?

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Down voted for paragraph 2. Total bullshit to say the least. Seriously...do you even know any low carbers? Most I know are lean and strong. – JayJay Aug 25 at 1:47
Yeah, I am a low carber. I've been eating 150-200g protein a day and cycling my carbs in 4 day spurts with a reefed every 2 cycles (200g+ carbs). Day 1 is 75-85g, day 2 and 3 is 25-35g, and 4 is 35-45g. That's not zero carb, I'm not counting green vegetables as a carb source, but it's certainly lower carb than most. – foreveryoung Aug 25 at 1:52
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Then why do you bother with that second paragraph. Sorry, but saying anyone eating VLC or LC is automatically going to be "lazy, inactive,have a low quality of life and not look good naked"....kinda provokes some of us. – JayJay Aug 25 at 1:55
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I had to edit some grammar, same gist though.The down vote honestly doesn't bother me (it's the anonymous down voting that does). Thanks for being willing to hear my side of the story though. Look, I just don't like the demonizing of foods- virtually any food can be bad in some contexts and good (or benign) in others. – foreveryoung Aug 25 at 2:05
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why does everyone refer to michael phelpes when the topic of carbohydrates comes up, like somehow he's the norm and we should all strive to be michael phelps and eat 4 subway sandwiches a day.... can it please just stop already, we know he eats a lot of food. he's a freak olympic athlete. it literally adds nothing to any conversation. – jake Aug 25 at 22:58
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First off, I want to thank everyone on this website for all the helpful information they provide about the Paleo diet. I have learned so much!

As a preschooler, over 50 years ago, I lived with my mother and ate mainly meats, fruits, vegetables, as well as some carbs (sandwiches as such). My health was fine. When I started school I went to live with my father, and he is of Hispanic decent. Enter the carbs by the truckload! Wheat, corn, rice, beans...you name it. And lots of cheese! Consequently, I also entered years and years of stomach upset with no explanation, not to mention hitting 185 pounds at age eleven!

After I graduated, I had trouble keeping jobs because I was constantly in the bathroom, very often had trouble concentrating, and packed on even more weight as I got older. True, there were periods of temporary weight loss, and I would usually be under 200 pounds---a reason to celebrate on my part! Unfortunately, my high carb diet took its toll, and I ended up with IBS, Rheumatoid Arthritis, Scleroderma, and Pulmonary Fibrosis--oh, and don't let me forget years of chronic depression and meds up my you-know-what.

I switched to a diet that was close to the Paleo diet about 6 years ago and it helped to a great extent. I still ate brown rice, legumes, nuts, and lots of fruit, though. My weight loss slowed, I still had mild IBS, and I still had a great deal of inflammation and breathing problems. I went from 255 down to 190 over those 6 years.

Currently, having switched to the Paleo diet a few months ago, I have gone from 190 to 168 (aiming for 140 so I can breath even easier). My BP is at 110/70, the chronic inflammation is gone (as long as I'm a good Paleo girl), the IBS has completely disappeared, my mind is much sharper,my energy level is amazing, and my need for supplemental oxygen has greatly decreased. I deal with 90% percent LESS mucus than I used to (sorry for that visual). The ONLY med in my cabinet is my inhaler. The others are long gone!

The Pulmonary Fibrosis has not progressed for a couple of years (which is very rare), and I attribute that to the massive amounts of vegetables in my diet, as well as the huge amount of healthy fats.

I have NO NEED for grains or legumes, which for me personally, are nothing but useless calories. I was "bad" last week and had a bowl of plain oatmeal (a childhood comfort food), and I felt almost drunk for hours! Drowsy, slurred speech, trouble thinking. Won't be doing that again!

I've had FIVE DECADES to personally experience the ill effects of a high carb diet, and that has come to a screeching halt thanks to finding out about the Paleo diet. The only proof I need is me! If someone has proven otherwise for themselves, well, yay for them! My concern is me. If someone doesn't believe that the Paleo diet works for a great many people, fine. So what? Should everyone find out what works for themselves? Absolutely!

Doubters and naysayers---please don't waste time asking the same question a million times in an attempt to force people into a corner until they give you the answer you've wanted to get from the very start. It reminds me of a child that keeps asking the same question because their minds aren't quite ready to wrap around the answer. Stop wasting the minutes of other people's lives and find out what works for yourself, and do it on your own time, please! Life is precious and very, very short.

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By soaking, sprouting, many grains, nuts and seeds in water, you can negate the phytates and adivin (both reportedly prevent the absorption of vitamins and minerals).

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I read somewhere that Asians have enlarged pancreases which helps them handle the big Carb loads

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I am not wild about eating white rice since it's just empty calories, but I make myself eat 1/2 cup a day to help my IBS. And it does seem to help with the consistency of my number twos. But threads like this make it harder to eat it without feeling badly...

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A lot of these people are not even remotely sane so you have to take that into account.

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Ad hominem . – foreveryoung Aug 25 at 0:08
Ditto to foreveryoung – karlub Aug 25 at 13:33
Glad you're here Steve. – Richard N Aug 26 at 1:57

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