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By regularly, I mean once or twice a week. That's all I need to ensure I have 100% complete control over my eating habits. I feel so light and pure on shrooms, that I want nothing "filthy" to pollute my body.

I eat a 100% healthy, no-cheating-not-even-a-little-bit and controlled diet in this state of higher consciousness. I reach a week-long euphoria and physical/mental balance. My resolve, determination and self-respect are through the roof.

Please do not mistake my psilocybin-induced zeal as orthorexia or anything other than a return to nature, optimal health and what we would be doing anyway if the Industrial age didn't happen. There is no room for unhealthy food in my diet, because deep down I know that it doesn't actually taste good once you do an autoimmune protocol and get control of your taste buds back and the negative effect to health isn't worth it. In this week-long trance, I don't really crave food, but I do feel a sensation of hunger and being better in-tune with my body. My body tells me exactly what I should eat at that time. It's a very clear internal message. My endurance increases at least 1.5x during this state and I can jog for longer as well as lift more. I feel like I could chase down a gazelle until it grew tired, laid down and accepted its fate as my dinner. My vision increases slightly and my mood (which is almost always positive and cheerful) is uplifted even more to a pure blissful state.

My problem solving skills take a noticeable turn for the better. It's hard to put into words, but I've noticed that in dealing with IRL issues, I'm able to think outside of the box and come up with creative solutions effortlessly.

Before you say anything along the lines of "life is about living, eat a cookie once in a while. Don't deprive yourself." it's worth noting I don't feel deprived at all. I can have that food around me and not give it a second glance. It's so liberating. I even willingly chose to try a bit of plum cake a co-worker had given me and it tasted foul. I'm sure the cake tastes good if you don't have control over your taste buds, but in this enlightened state, it tasted like bland mashed potatoes, but with the consistency of cake. It's just not worth it to eat unhealthy processed food or food that's not ideal for your personal physiology.

Is there such a thing as TOO good?

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 I am afraid you have picked the wrong website to discuss magic mushrooms. Still, as powerful as psychedelics can be, dont you want to tap into this state without drugs via some trance method like chanting, drumming, meditation, yoga or tai chi? Its entirely possible to get persistant feelings of this nature without drugs.. – Jamie Sep 17 at 6:47
Yeah, you are brave to make this post on Paleohacks. But I'm glad you did. See my "answer" below. – Dan Sep 17 at 12:59
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 Raydawg, you're such a sheep of modern society and the government institutions that it almost makes me sad. Almost. – BoneBrothFast Sep 17 at 15:56
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 Oh please, you basically asked "How dare the diet that keeps me healthy, and away from neolithic diseases interfere with my attempt to get high." Seriously? What does "filthy" mean exactly? Are you borrowing from the vegan toolchest that meat is unclean or something ridiculous like that? I've no problem with folks trying to get high, drunk or experiment - I've had those days too, but your approach to it is so high and mighty it smells of dogma. Come down to earth dude. – raydawg Sep 18 at 10:21
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 " I feel so light and pure on shrooms" "this state of higher consciousness. I reach a week-long euphoria" -- uh huh, not getting high. Riiiiight. You're just trying to distance taking psychedelics from the high you feel - I'm not anti drugs, quite the opposite, but I am pro-honesty and pro-reality and the words you posted indicate you're going towards the wrong end of the pool. Thanks for playing. – raydawg Sep 18 at 15:45
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There is a lot of evidence that prehistoric humans (and even more recent than that) ate psychedelic mushrooms and other psychedelics ritually and for healing purposes. So are psilocybe mushrooms paleo? Definitely.

I as well have lately been consuming psilocybe mushrooms twice a week, but at low doses. I still have to go about my day, driving and whatnot, so I nibble on a teeeeeeny piece and it affects my day in a very wholesome, positive way. It helps me align with what is best for me, in diet and in most other areas of my life. I also trip in the deep end every few months or so.

It seems that this post is more of a "coming out" of your "psilocybin-induced zeal" and an explanation of it rather than a question. However, there are questions in the title, so I'll answer them.

"Is it unhealthy to use psilocybin mushrooms regularly to initiate 100% control over my diet?"

There are some problems with this question. By nature, consuming psilocybe mushrooms, in my experience, is one of the healthiest things you can do. However, you may find that you have to do less of them over time as you get more used to your healthy habits. When paying attention to what foods your body needs or doesn't need, include psilocybe mushrooms in your consideration.

I also think "100% control" isn't what we're looking for. I see it as more of a natural alignment that is connected to a sense of great ease, rather than some part of yourself "controlling" your eating activities.

"Do you have control of your taste buds?"

Again, you are not the controller of your body as a chariot controls a horse. You ARE your body. Any separation you might feel is illusory, as the mushrooms probably already told you. ;) Awareness, not control.

Another thing: Though mushrooms are healthful and will often align your body to what it truly wants, humans are meant to be sober most of the time. Think of the psychedelic experience as a cleanse or a raw vegan diet. They are extremely beneficial for the body, for a time. There is indeed a time for them. Go forth, trip and learn a lot, but as the psychedelic gurus say, "when you get the message, hang up the phone." That said, you can easily forget the message and you may want to dial in again later. :D

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Yes, it's definitely a bit of a conundrum. On one hand, I can see how someone could make the argument that I'm relying on "X" or a drug (which psilocybin is not) to feel better. But the issue with this is, I notice NO negative effects from this regular psilocybin consumption and this is coming from someone who eats a mostly FODMAPs type diet. I feel like Wonderwoman on and off it (in the following days.) I'm having a hard time rationalizing exactly why I would want to stop this once-a-week ritual. What would be the benefits in stopping? I can't come up with any. – BoneBrothFast Sep 17 at 13:52
I'm sure that paleolithic humans were often bitten by venomous snakes, so that too would be paleo, but whether that's ideal or not is another question. Granted I'm going a bit on hyperbole here, but perhaps such things aren't a great idea. – raydawg Sep 17 at 14:27
The difference being that a snake can kill you. I don't think it's possible to kill yourself with psilocybin, even if you wanted to. That would be an expensive way of killing yourself. – BoneBrothFast Sep 17 at 14:57
Mushrooms are free. I believe there is a toxic dose but you are correct it is quite high. I would be more worried about your psychological state as opposed to any poisoning concerns. Dan, loved the quote and final paragraph- my sentiments exactly- upvote. – PaleoMouth Sep 18 at 12:24
This post cannot be upvoted enough. I take it you have read Terence McKenna, no? Personally, i'd never be able to do mushrooms twice a week. I dont even do them once a month even though i would like to. I would personally do them alittle less often than BoneBrothFast. But then im not him. – Alexander Sep 18 at 13:22
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Um, I just want to hang out with you. :)

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My gut feeling is that you wouldn't be asking this question and have phrased it like you did unless you instinctively knew that this level of drugs is unhealthy in some way and were seeking strengthening arguments against this level of use of a drug. I'd suggest getting in touch with that gut feeling that is telling you something isn't quite right and seeing where it goes.

I'm certainly not against drug use as a powerful tool for exploration of your own psyche, but day to day use seems unhealthy.

Have you explored ways to reach the same mental state through meditation? Assuming that were possible, would you feel more natural and at peace reaching that state through using a substance external to your body, or by reaching it naturally using only your own mind?

Also interested how you're able to separate the use of e.g. 'cake' from the use of 'mushrooms'. They seem similar to me - both in the category of allowing a non-natural part of your diet to change your behavioural cycles.

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Mushrooms aren't a drug. They are a food. Humans make drugs, mother nature does not. The word drug itself is a human-made invention and along with that word comes an abstract negative connotation, which we have also created. Yes, I have explored meditation immensely to the point where I'm not able to receive "visions" in the meditative trance. At this point, my meditation is about as spiritually enlightening and intense as its going to get, but shrooms and meditation are apples and oranges. There is NO similarity between taking drugs recreationally and taking psilocybin regularly. – BoneBrothFast Sep 17 at 13:37
That being said, I did initially share the same concern - I was worried that I was relying on a drug. But that was quickly squashed when I came to my senses. If anything, psilocybin is a natural supplement, the same way that Ginkgo Biloba or Turmeric or Ginger is. Mushrooms ARE natural. They grow from the ground and were probably here before humans were, thus they are 100% natural. My only major concern is whether relying on ANYTHING, even if it's done once a week, to achieve a Human 2.0 state is the best course of action. Is it fine if I ONLY notice positive benefits (which I do.)? – BoneBrothFast Sep 17 at 13:41
My questions, BoneBroth, is do those around you notice the same positive benefits? Your perceptions in an altered state might be reality. – MathGirl72 Sep 17 at 13:46
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 Maybe we should all take some mushrooms and then discuss. – Dave S. Sep 17 at 14:37
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 It's definitely the right thing to do to seek advice and conversation if you're not sure about something, but let me repeat back to you the question you're asking in your words as I understand them: 'I am doing something completely natural a couple of times a week to improve my mental/physical state. It only has positive effects. Is this Ok?'. Can you see that there's something missing from your question? What is it you're not sure about if there's no down side? – James L Sep 17 at 16:01
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Having done a little research into psychedelics, I'm not surprised that you feel this way. They have a pretty good track record of therapeutic rehabbing for things like alcoholism and other addictions, which I could totally see relating to food (whether you had an actual food addiction or not). I'm just saying they might occupy some of the same brain space.

And even though I'm no enemy of psilocybin, I just can't get on board with the frequency here. But you have to do what's right for you. I would caution you to be hypervigilant for when that balance tips in the wrong direction. The main issue I see with it is that it is disruptive to the normal flow of life (as most of us know it). If you're off the grid, are unemployed, and childless, then maybe? But within the parameters of American life, I just don't see this fitting in on a weekly+ basis. But good luck to ya!

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 Nice balanced comment Karen :) – FED at LiveCaveman.com Sep 17 at 20:15
Yea, you really dont want to be 'that guy' in the neighbourhood who everyone knows is 'a bit ... you know' ;) – Alexander Sep 18 at 13:25
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I'm only chiming in here because no one else has said this, psilocybin is a potent appetite suppressant, so your results are not surprising. It is also a well known euphoric, so your sense of well being is also to be expected. Putting those two feelings together feel awesome, especially if you've had a dicey relationship with food in the past.

That said, like with anything potent and medicinal, you will gradually develop a resistance and require larger doses for the same feeling, and as you slowly replace your natural brain chemistry with an increased dose of external replacements, should you find yourself without access to shrooms at some point, it is perfectly normal to have a distinct sense that all is not right with the world (a feel of anti-euphoria) until your endogenous chemistry returns to normal. Kind of like quitting coffee and having that ass dragging feeling for 4-6 weeks.

The good really good news here is that you have found a tool to get you over that hump until the cravings for what you ought not eat have ceased on their own. If it has been 4-8 weeks, I bet you have started to shift your gut microbes enough, that even without the shrooms you will no longer have those cravings.

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 I think you might be on to something about cravings. Psilocybin acts on seratonin receptors in the brain, and a lot of seratonin is produced in the gut. Hmm... – Karen P. Sep 17 at 20:01
I doubt it, I've taken Ephedra supplements and drank Ephedra tea and it suppresses your appetite way more than psilocybin, yet it doesn't curb cravings much. My appetite is only suppressed for a few hours afterwards, but either way I still feel hunger. I just don't get any cravings and my judgment is not impaired by the allure of crap food. I'm sure the mild appetite suppressant effects do play some role, just not a big one. – BoneBrothFast Sep 17 at 21:55
It makes sense that different chemicals would suppress different cravings. I suspect part of the euphoria aspect of it also works on the reward center of your brain in a way that ephedra doesn't (stimulant lack of appetite does feel different than pyschedelic lack of appetite to me), so you've blocked any impulse for foods that would be chemically rewarding but nutritionally dubious, and the need or desire is no longer there. – Happy Now Sep 17 at 22:39
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I am certainly not anti-drug myself, let's just start with that. Shrooms are something I find myself in the mood to do once or twice a year, if that. I just can't imagine once or twice a week! I honestly don't think this would be a good idea. That stuff can really, for lack of a more scientific term, zap your brain. I don't think that taking it once or twice a week would give you full recovery time between trips. Shrooms have their place - but I don't think the use you've got in mind is it.

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If we were discussing LSD or MDMA, I would be inclined to agree with you. However, the thing is there is NO down-time or recovery for me with it. In fact, the "recovery period" is what I love best about psilocybin mushrooms, because I feel better than in my "normal" state. My flexibility is improved, my joints are less rigid, my head is clearer, my performance is improved, etc. There is just no negative effect that I have noticed thus far, only positive ones. The biggest "issue" I had with the shrooms is whether or not they are FODMAPs approved. – BoneBrothFast Sep 17 at 13:34
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It is entirely possible to get that feeling without drugs, many have achieved it. Maybe you need to practice and learn more about the subject of enlightenment as that resembles (for me) something very similar to what you describe.

Personally I found cutting out carbohydrates completely stopped all desire for 'bad' foods.

Also carefully studying accurate diet books such as Primal Body PM, if you haven't already, is a great way to fully understand your diet.

It's not natural to be taking psychedelics so much and you may soon find yourself an outsider to reality.

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Ketosis puts me in a similar state, but similar is not exact. I'm not too sure that if I walked into a room full of all of my "old favorites" (i.e. SAD foods that I used to be addicted to) while not in my "Human 2.0" state that I could resist it fully. And psilocybin isn't a dissociative, so I have a genuinely hard time understanding how someone might have difficulty translating their psychedelic experience into "real life." And my neighbor's purple dog told me that the trip only lasts for about 4-6 hours. 4-6 hours out of 7 days is nothing. – BoneBrothFast Sep 17 at 13:32
I would like to counter the idea that taking entheogens are unnatural while meditation, chanting etc is more 'pure' and 'natural'. Shamanism is arguably the first occuring spirituality of mankind. Paleo-shamans did drugs tens of thousands of years before polytheistic hindus/pre-hindus tried to induce trance by meditation. The chant + drug combo is arguably the most natural an altered state of conciousness can get. – Alexander Sep 18 at 13:28
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I have nothing but positive things to say about Psychedelics. I think they are extremely beneficial. Shrooms are being reseaeched as a treatment for depression and anxiety. A fasted state is a very common side effect of their use.

We have always had drugs like this, in every culture. Psychedelics and fasting go hand in hand for this kind of mental adjustment. You enjoy it, keep at it.

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People who don't use drugs as tools will never understand people who do. Just spew their ignorant stereotypes as facts.

The mental and spiritual benefits of psychedelics can be truly profound. However, they can also be profoundly damaging. Know your drugs, and know yourself. Psilocybin overdose is terrifying! At the same time, it is extremely enlightening...

Nutritionally, psilocybin is a sound, 100% Paleo, food. I think the drying process can pick up some yucky passengers, but I could be wrong. There are some very interesting theories suggesting psilocybin has played a key role in human evolution... physically, socially, and mentally/spiritually.

If you ever get a shot at eating fresh, undried shrooms, don't pass it up! (Unless you're on your way to work, etc) When I was in A'dam they sold them in little plastic produce containers right out a cooler. Absolutely delicious!

Also, not Paleo at all, but you can eat the substrate 'root' system. Wheat germ, vermiculite & perlite fortified with God-head!

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I will be probably the only person here who will tell you: DO NOT DO IT, it is UNHEALTHY.

Using any substances, no matter how benign they seem to alter your psycological/physicological state is NOT HEALTHY.

Smoking, including smoking dope, drinking alcohol, chewing tobacco or khat, inhaling toxic substances, using mushrooms, etc. IS NOT (corrected) HEALTHY IN MAMMALS. It is found in nature, but it is very occasional and not habitual.

Yes, unfortunately we have developed a very shrewd brain that helped us first to adapt to our environment and later adapt that environment to our needs.

Our brain became so developed that we used it to gain knowledge about plants and animals, thus allowing to develop farming and agriculture. Our brains allowed us to learn how to make processed foods, and use toxic substances to activate the reward systems in our brains.

Are mushrooms Paleo? Sure they are, but so are many other things - cannibalism (very Paleo), infanticide, shamanism, totem poles etc. Not all Paleo things are healthy/helpful/appropriate. Some of them are quite disturbing.

Yes, I understand you are feeling better with mushrooms. Now WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS??? What effect do they have on your brain to help you feel elevated during your recovery period?

Do you want me to tell you a sure way to feel better in your normal state? Fall in love, start dating, have tons of sex every day, have twelve kids... you will forget what state you are at.

Just make sure to eat right to keep your gut flora healthy.

One more thing - I know it is not going go well with others but I will say it anyway.

Where were your parents when you started using those mushrooms? Why don't they say anything?

And by the way, it is okay to say that you use those mushrooms here on the internet where there is at least some degree of privacy. In real life, when you talk to a girl - don't say it. A normal girl with high level of self-esteem will never go for a junkie - they don't make good parents. I am not being negative - I am just telling you what I would say to my own son. Hope it does not sound offensive.

P.S. Two of my classmates died because of drugs. I know you don't think that mushrooms are drugs, but if you care about your body even a little tiny bit - stop using those mushrooms right now.

Edited: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18257429

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18378018

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18926381

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16276262

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16225077

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 "Using any substances, no matter how benign they seem to alter your psycological/physicological state is NOT HEALTHY." How bout food? Herbs? Supplements? I get the sense that you're not drawing from any data here. – Dan Sep 17 at 14:39
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 "Smoking, including smoking dope, drinking alcohol, chewing tobacco or khat, inhaling toxic substances, using mushrooms, etc. IS NOT NATURAL TO MAMMALS." -This couldn't be more wrong. All cultures (yes, all) alter their mindstate in some way for benefit. Most of the time, it's through the ingestion of substances. Why is imbibing in the herbs mother nature gives us "not natural?" Are we supposed to chastely avoid all these wonderful herbs that give us different perspectives, tonify certain systems of the body, get us through the day, enhance dreaming, etc. – Dan Sep 17 at 14:41
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 I mean, there are certainly people out there who have bad mushroom experiences, either due to the wrong mindset or taking it in the wrong setting. It's not all sunshine and rainbows, obviously. Sometimes they can "kick your ass" and be quite sobering, but usually with a valuable lesson attached to the experience. Unrelated, that's interesting that you say "UNfermented bread" upsets your stomach. So does that mean you can eat sourdough rye bread and not experience ill effects? – Dan Sep 17 at 16:24
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 I have a rebuttal for every response of yours, (except the Native Russians one, point taken-I was typing in a hurry, heh.) but I'm actually not going to. Because we're obviously not going to convince one another. What I'd like to do is show that there are greater principles at stake: freedom. You are convinced that mushrooms are bad for you, BBF and I are sure that they promote long-term health and well being. You have no right to tell us not to eat these things as much as us not having the right to force you to take them. We respect your abstinence, so please at least tolerate our usage. – Dan Sep 18 at 11:13
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 Getting drawn into these petty arguments probably is an indication you have not reached a balanced relationship with your drugs/ lifestyle. You should be able to understand where VB is coming from having experienced the loss as a result of drugs and just let be a valid reminder that these things shouldn't be taken lightly.. Mushrooms have a lot of lessons to teach- but first and foremost the reality with the people we love in it is the most important reality. I love mushrooms but often trips were just a good reminder that I love every moment in real life more and the brain can be fragile. – PaleoMouth Sep 18 at 12:19
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This is interesting... just wondering what your results have been now BoneBrothFast? Considering it's been a few months since this discussion. Have you still killed your addiction with food?

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i dont see how shrooms can permantely fuck someone up. a bad trip, maybe. but nothing permanently damaging. and considering shrooms are not known for being addictive, it can't hurt to try it out every once in a while, as long as you know the mushroom isn't poisonous and you don't take too high a dose.

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