Paleo Diet and Paleolithic Diet Questions & Answers

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to me the best way to achieve this is to incorporate idea's from all the different sides of low-fat, paleo, and WAPF.

Let's first look at fat. I feel the evidence strongly supports the notion that a high intake of palmitic acid leads to a bunch of gunk in your arteries. This gunk probably won't kill you in the context of a paleo diet but its not optimal.

http://paleohacks.com/questions/55351/cvd-saturated-fat-and-atherosclerosis-what-is-the-paleo-argument

http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/MMD-2010-03-Cordain-on-Phinney-and-Sat-Fats.mp3

http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/95/1/26.abstract

http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Atherosclerosis-in-Pre-Westernized-Inuit.pdf

Now what is the advocating argument for high fat intake?

Fat displaces carbohydrates from the diet.
Fat provides important vitamins

Number 1 is a matter of picking your poison, and in light of what I mentioned earlier I don't feel that fat>carbohydrates in terms of macronutrient fuel. Number 2 can be addressed while still eating low-fat total calories. By supplementing and/or eating some liver.

Does this idea sound good? Basically here we are taking WAPF's idea's and mixing them with a low-fat diet that promotes better blood flow.

flag	asked Oct 15 at 14:54 Greensun 873●3●11

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Good luck with that. – Dave S. Oct 15 at 14:57

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No, your idea doesn't sound good. You need fat for health. It is not poison. Carbohydrate is not poison, either. Supplements is not going to be better than real food. – Diane Oct 15 at 16:13

With this much controversy centering around fat, i think it's actually a good idea to be more reserved on the amount one consumes. It's doesn't hurt. – Sunshine Oct 15 at 17:13

I think you should put a bit more thought and research into the "what is the advocating argument". – JayJay Oct 15 at 21:44

I really don't see the controversy. The OP's "evidence" (that he considers strong) seems weak to negligible to me. – JayJay Oct 16 at 0:20

AmandaLP · Answer 1 · 2012-10-15 17:54:31Z UTC

The whole premise of Dr. Price's research is that indigenous and Anscesteral cultures ate a whole lot more fat soluble vitamins, in the form of animal fats. You CANNOT do the WAPF diet as low fat.

That said, there are a wide range of cultures, and the percentages of carbs and fat carried between them . Protein ranges from 15 to 20%, almost regardless of source. Wile you can choose to have a higher percentage of carbohydrates, you will always need the higher fat intake to get the vitamins we need. For example, the Swiss culture has a main source of fat and protein from cheese, but has a lower meat intake and lots of sourdough bread.

http://www.westonaprice.org/basics/adventures-in-macro-nutrient-land looks at Macros I. The WAPF diet.

Lastly, the body produces palmitic acid from excess carbohydrate. So, you can eat a higher carb diet, and the body will produce the palmitic acid, or you can eat the fat directly.

Crowbar · Answer 2 · 2012-10-15 16:08:42Z UTC

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Actually, number one should read: Fat increases satiety, allowing a person to consume less calories while not feeling deprived, hungry, and punished, as one does with a low-fat, carbohydrate diet. This then leads to feelings of guilt, shame, and lack of control when, invariably, low-fat high carb dieters crash and burn, because they've completely failed to address the damage that high carbs has caused.

At no point have I read, "fat displaces carbohydrates from the diet", as a reason for anything, in and of itself.

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ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK53550 "Preload studies have shown that fat exerts the weakest effect on satiety compared to carbohydrate and protein, suggesting that fat may lead to 'passive overconsumption'" – Nasty Brutish and Short Oct 15 at 18:02

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ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11186237 " Under normal conditions where fat contributes disproportionately to ED, protein, carbohydrate, and fat exert hierarchical effects on satiety in the order protein >carbohydrate > fat" – Nasty Brutish and Short Oct 15 at 18:03

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ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8475895 "Eating from a range of either high-fat or high-carbohydrate foods, obese subjects voluntarily consumed twice as much energy from the fat items, thereby indicating a weak action of fat on satiation. In turn, this large intake of fat exerted a disproportionately weak effect on satiety." – Nasty Brutish and Short Oct 15 at 18:05

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ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7498104 "Protein, fibre, and water contents of the test foods correlated positively with SI scores (r = 0.37, P < 0.05, n = 38; r = 0.46, P < 0.01; and r = 0.64, P < 0.001; respectively) whereas fat content was negatively associated (r = -0.43, P < 0.01)." – Nasty Brutish and Short Oct 15 at 18:06

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ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20553637 "The main results showed that the participants consumed significantly less at lunch following the consumption of all three preloads than on the no-preload day, and consumed less after the consumption of the carbohydrate preload than after the consumption of the lipid preload". – Nasty Brutish and Short Oct 15 at 18:09

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Sunshine · Answer 3 · 2012-10-15 16:51:45Z UTC

It's also important to remember that fat HELPS the body absorb vitamins. So supplementing vitamins without fat in your diet is pointless. However, you do not need a butt load of fat in order to accomplish this.

Fat also provides building blocks for cellular membranes, hormones, energy, etc. So as long as you consume ENOUGH fat to do all of this, then what you suggest should be no issue.

As for inducing satiety, it depends on the person. Fat does not make me feel full.

Deniz · Answer 4 · 2012-10-15 16:57:06Z UTC

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Paleo without fat = Faileo for a reason.

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but that's not what Greensun is suggesting – Sunshine Oct 15 at 17:04

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