Based on the series of blog posts by Stephan Guyenet, I'm inclined to think that potatoes are a bit overemphasized as something to avoid, other than for the isulin resistant (is there really strong evidence for this, actually?). Most of the bad stuff is in the skins, it seems.
For what it's worth, I've been eating at least two potatoes a day, often more, for the last several days. I've felt great. Obviously this doesn't decide the issue, but it's worth something, I reckon. What has been your experience reintroducing potatoes?
I'm not saying we should make them a staple of our diet, but once a week, say, is probably fine, no?
BTW with the potatoes and other tubers I've been eating my carb load has gone way up, but I've never felt better. Also, at around 10 this morning I had a bunch of taters with chicken broth and bits, three eggs, scallions, and tiny dried shrimp, and have eaten nothing since then. At the time of writing this (8 PM), I am not hungry at all.
IMHO, starchy tubers are very paleo. And even if white potatoes are much more recent, they still qualify. Richard Nikoley eats them - and suffered some harrassment for that. Silly really.
Many of us cannot handle the carb load (being diabetic or obese or metabolically damaged). Other than that, if you are careful to prepare them properly, they are pretty nutritious. 2 a day seems like a lot to me, but if you feel good - well, that's what we all want.
There is no "One True Paleo Diet" for all people. Everyone's needs and issues are different. Paleo provides the perspective on working out your individual food issues/tolerances and a way to tweak to gain better health/performance.
Carbs are not evil, the negative association from some carbs have made them appear so. Calling tubers or starches evil for being carbs, is like calling saturated fat evil because Transfats and Oxidized Omega6 are evil. Guilt by association is no better than prejudice.
Our ancestors evolved on tubers. Let me repeat that. We ate tubers of all different varieties. Many Historical societies Thrived on tubers.
Current HG societies have no issues with tubers despite large % of their diets.
Many Centenarians ate tons of tubers...
The Lectins and most of the Glycoalkaloids are in the skin. Peel your potatoes and then cook them.
There are accounts of people reversing their T2 Diabetes while eating tubers, but not wheat/bad carbs.
and for weight loss, Ive posted a couple accounts, I couldnt self experiment, since my weight loss is already over, but I have 2 friends now losing weight rapidly while eating lots of potatoes. I personally have put on 20+ lbs of muscle since resuming potatoes(likely because im eating more calories as a result)
not to mention the 2 big paleo mineral deficiencies, Potassium and Magnesium, both issues solved and resolved by simply re-introducing the great tuber! (zinc and copper too)
Personally I LOVE the Okinowan Purples.
and More Anthocyanins than blueberries!
I think first and foremost that the mixing up of low-carb people and then those of us who are simply into things-paleo is an undercurrent here. There are (or at least were) a large number of paleo folks in the online community who had no issues with weight, and are/were conversely pretty good athletes. For example, I am not a crossfitter but lift at a box and everyones paleo and noone is overweight. So, many of us can use potatoes how we see fit. They're a tool in the toolbox right?
Then you have, especially of late, a lot of general low-carbers and/or heavy people with precise weightloss goals who are getting into paleo and bringing their lowcarb ideas even more into it. Thats muddying the picture to some extent. Nothing wrong with it, i think you can wisely use the paleo ideas to lose weight. Its simply two different populations of people all talking together.
I think if you're healthy already, relatively active, potatoes are fine. Great tool. Great dense little, easy to eat, easy to digest little bundle of glucose that we can use to fuel ourselves by. But those very same traits make it something that is perhaps less-than-helpful to the overweight folks. Same traits, but different uses for the tool as far as I can tell.
I also hasten to add that, at least having grown up in the US for my 31 years, i think the complete reliance on the white potatoe in like 90% of meals, and then of course fast foods' use of the potatoe is a big part of the picture. I mean, steak and potatoe is a great meal. Great fuel, tasty, comforting and all that. But the market, our society, etc we just use the potatoe too much generally, and then process the hell out of it and stuff our faces with pringles, chips, fries, etc. This maligns the innocent plain old potatoe for sure.
I do really well on white potatoes too, if I go too low on carbs I get depressed. This could be because I am a normal weight, Robb Wolf spoke about this in his podcast. Since I've added in fruit and potatoes I've felt so much better.
Amylase definitely suggests we were evolved for starch. it's arguably better than fruit or nuts too. I've reintroduced them with no ill effects after reading some of the Perfect health diet's arguments for increasing starch consumption. It seems like it could take some stress off of the liver.
I don't feel that taters are maligned by paleo eaters. It's just that a lot of people have blood sugar and/or weight problems and those people often avoid potatoes. And that's a lot of people!
For posterity's sake, potatoes(along with other nightshades) arrived from the American continent a few centuries ago. So they're not a run of the mill tuber that humans encountered. I think that for someone going full paleo, regular potatoes are simply unappealing because they taste awful without salt. Maybe that's just me.
So, not paleo. But not a big deal every now and again.
I personally tried tubers and unfortunately, they really didn't work out for me.
Over the holidays, I had suspended my lower-carb paleo in lieu of allowing some "safe" starches, sweet potatoes, purple fingerlings, the occasional baked idaho with butter...
and I gained considerable weight, seemingly overnight (over the course of two months).
Perhaps my problem is carb addiction or insulin sensitivity, I don't get the "I'm Full" signal when starches are involved. The odd thing is, I can eat 1lbs of steak and will get to the point where I can't eat anymore - but if I add a potato to that steak, I find myself eating until "thanksgiving full" and perfecting the art of gluttony.
To top all, I can eat fruit without this ramification. It specifically seems to be with starches...
For what it's worth - I am a fatty, granted I'm 100lbs less a fatty than I was before starting... but I'm still probably 80lbs over my personal "ideal" and 120lbs over accepted "ideal" for my height.
When people say potatoes are not paleo, to me that smacks of carb phobia. Tubers can be dug out and eaten right then and there without any processing. Chimps are known to dig out tubers. Okay, so nightshades are native to the American continent - so what? I believe that if cavemen had the opportunity, they would have 100% consumed tubers. Can you imagine a caveman coming across a tuber patch, saying, "nah, not good for me", and walking away? Insanity.