I am not interested in getting into a evolution vs creation argument here. What I am interested in is what the Bible and Jesus says about food, diet, and low carb eating. I think it says a lot and aligns very nicely to Paleo. What do you say?
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closed as off topic by Bread-Eating Beelzebub Mar 29 2011 at 18:34 |
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UPDATE: Those interested should go read Chris Masterjohn's post about this over at The Daily Lipid. Kevin Brown over at Liberation Wellness provides an examination of the bible through the lens of food and health in this post. Here's a few key quotes:
And finally, a comment on vegetarianism:
He offers a recap at the end of the post. Here's some highlights:
Hope this helps! P.S. David over at Health for Life wrote a piece on wheat and the bible that may be of interest as well. |
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Good gracious people. Let's not be bitter! This IS relevant. A lot of Christian sects have fasting protocols, for example, that make following a paleo protocol difficult. And even those of us that aren't religious are likely to have family members who follow a religion and it's nice to be able to talk to them about this. Many clergy are ignorant of nutrition and it's often not helpful to consult them. For example, a priest told my aunt that the paleo diet is a morally decadent diet....way to miss the point. What I told my grandparents is that the type of wheat and wheat products that are available today are completely different than what is mentioned in the Bible. The bread of Jesus was very coarse, fairly flat, and low in gluten. The problem is that the Bible is pretty open to interpretation, so you can pretty much use it to support any dietary philosophy.... But I have to correct some of the bitterness here. In quoting Mosaic law to prove how ridiculous the Bible is, you are forgetting that Christianity teaches that Jesus fulfilled that law and you don't have to follow it anymore. "But, Christians don't believe in evolution... or the paleolithic period... (In fact, they don't believe in the first half of the neolithic period either)." Um, some Christians do. Not all Christians are literalists. |
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I'm a Christian and I eat Paleo. My body is a temple afterall. |
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As a fellow believer, I have encountered this personal soul searching myself. What I discovered was basically, as believers and followers of Christ, we can eat anything. Not meaning that we should, but our options are many. Primal type diets are based upon science and are therefore documented and proven. This style of eating actually does agree with biblical ideology once you look beyond the "usual" bible passages. Furthermore, if you read this site, and other similar sites, personal testimonies from others, irregardless of their spiritual beliefs, support this WOE as most beneficial. Remember that the foods we have today were not the same as the foods that were found or raised during biblical times. Genetic modifications and agricultural changes have morphed them into something else. Don't get hung up on this "Ezekiel Bread" mentality. That whole passage has been misinterpreted. (For a good perspective on that read http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/2010/06/ezekiel-said-what.html). Read the Bible and determine what to do yourself. My recommendation is to start with the Book of Acts and go through Paul's letters to the churches. Pray for guidance and most importantly, listen. Just my opinion. Blessings, Mike |
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I'm a Christian. Whilst I try and have my faith flow through all areas of my life, I just don't see my diet selection as that big a deal in that regard. Fasting is something relevant to both Christianity and paleo though - so a nice fit. |
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I don't mix nutrition with religion |
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I'm a Christian and currently switching over to a Paleo way of eating. I am eating this way b/c it makes sense for me. I don't scrutinize every line in the Bible and try to glean the meaning I want from it. I think we were all given brains for a reason and the Bible is just a guide. A reference book, if you will. Read it, study it, and then remember that the world exists outside the Bible. I don't think that what the Bible tells us indicates what our diets should be anymore than what clothing we should wear or what kind of car we should drive. The message I get from it is probably different from the message that you (or any other person) get from it. The point is, if you are a Christian with a solid foundation of belief, your beliefs will differ from nearly every other Christian you meet b/c the Bible isn't the end-all, say-all. That's what your personal relationship with God is all about. For me, my foundation of belief includes taking care of myself and being as healthy as I can be. That happens to include following a Paleo way of eating. |
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Yes, I am. However, I hold my faith as dealing with existential realities. It and science are not by any means enemies. They ask different questions and are interested in different aspects of reality and experience. "What does it mean to be a person who is alive and in a predicament?" is different from "What are the mechanism that allow life to happen?" They can inform each other but only to a point. Does paleolithic nutrition align with Christian spirituality? I really don't think that they inform each other much either way. As the paleo diet can help people feel better and experience reality in a more full, worthwhile manner, I can probably use it as a tool to fulfill some of the ethical 'duties' of a Christian. But that connection isn't especially captivating to me. True, yes, but not captivating. Oh and the pesky do I believe in evolution question? I don't care either way. I find it to be a beautiful, helpful and compelling heuristic. The work of Walker Percy does a very beautiful job exploring the distinction between science and post-modern spirituality especially in his essay "A novel about the end of the world." Peter Rollins does some great philosophical work setting up Christianity in its proper philosophical frame work as a deconstructive anti-religion. GK Chesterton also does a nice job setup the non-sense framework of Christianity in A Generous Orthodoxy. The chapter "The Ethics of Elfland" is deserving of close attention. |
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There is nothing in the Bible that would oppose eating a Paleo Diet. Unlike some Eastern religions (in particular, Hinduism) the Bible is full of examples showing that all types of food can be eaten. The only particular dietary restrictions applies to certain days of the year, in which fasting may be prescribed. Nevertheless choosing a paleo diet should be based on a personal decision that you made, and the scientific evidence that supports it. |
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For the creationist types I just say god put grains on the earth for birds to eat. Adam and Eve never had a milling machine. They ate meat, fruits and vegetables. For the rest of us I describe it in terms of actual evolution. |
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I think the Bible is full of many ideas, restrictions, and commands. Some of which support eating a certain way, and others which could be interpreted to forbid eating the same way.http://www.logon.org/english/s/p015.html has an interesting analysis of the laws that appear in the food laws in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14. I have no interest in eating as suggested in the Old Testament, New Testament, or any other book Holy to any religion. I eat as best I can to support my health and to respect the world that I live in. I know that this discussion has lots of tinder in it to make for a great flamewar, but I'm hoping that we have enough respect for each other to keep it under control. Yours in Practice and Respect, Adam |
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How curious, some would dismiss this thread as irrelevant. "Religion" is not some kind of feeble attempt at a type of science. It is neither opposed to nor in cahoots with science. Science seeks knowledge, understanding, completeness, and all the things that flow from them. Religion seeks, well, it's hard for me to even say what it seeks. I think we've moved beyond the Humean conception of religion as an incorrect projection of the human psyche onto an inexplicable natural order. I talk to a lot of people who hold that view, I wrestled with it for a time in my mind. Science works with matter. Religion works with the spirit. I don't know how else to say that without sounding even to myself, a bit flighty. The concept of spirit is amorphous and cheesy and it's easy to deny it because it cannot be verified, but in the end it's just one of those words that you have to use because it's the only one that works to describe something so amorphous and mysterious. If someone touts reasoning, logic, and evaluation of claims as the only way to reach correct knowledge and understanding...You are at liberty to operate in that mental realm. I do sometimes. As little as possible. There are other ways to think. Some people here need to have their minds blown, they are STUCK IN A BOX. |
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I came across this website when researching something totally unrelated a while back and thought it might be relevant to the discussion. While obviously nobody needs the Bible to tell them that PETA says and does a lot of dumb things (or even a website that may or may not of intentionally misspelled animal on the home page), I will say that for anyone who wants them, this guy has spent some time collecting Bible quotations about meat, hunting, and diet, which are easy to find even if you aren't interested in his perspective on them because he conveniently made them bold. |
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I'm not a Christian, but all I know of food in the religion is the Ezekiel bread, mentioning the grains and legumes supposedly endorsed in the Bible...not super paleo... However, turning one fish into many would make an awesome paleo party trick... |
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As a Christian and paleo enthusiast I am troubled by the presence of bread in the sacrament. I realize that the bread Christ ate was different, but how do we reconcile the problem of grains with the bread of communion? |
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perhaps you could expand... |
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The whole point of "eating paleo" is to eat foods that were around in the paleolithic period, a period of time which Christians believe didn't exist (god put the fossils in the ground to test your faith - remember?) The reason to eat paleo is that you believe that eating the foods that were available to humans for the millions of years during which humans evolved is more likely to lead to good health than eating the foods that humans produced in the last 10,000 years. But, Christians don't believe in evolution... or the paleolithic period... (In fact, they don't believe in the first half of the neolithic period either). Oh my. |
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Well the bible forbids us eating pork ( aka Bacon ) as its an unclean food - where does that leave us all???? LOL |
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Yes, I am a Christian and Paleo and it is not the oxymoron that it seems. Though I battled over this issue for years, through a raw foodist and vegeterian stint, once I stop being ethnocentric I realize that: A. The Bible was written by Jews for Jews. Therefore, their understanding of the world, creation, and food were very different than ours. ex. Creation from nothing may be a 21st century way of thinking. Most religions around the time thought of creation in functional terms instead of material-from-nothing terms. The god(s) made the world functional from a non-functional, chaotic state. (Interested Christians read this book.) B. Taking this written-by-Jews-for-Jews book out of its original context in terms of dietary laws/advice is not only anachronistic but inapplicable to our current times. God worked within their current system of understanding to reveal himself... he stooped to their level. Yes, fasting is helpful and relevant for anyone's spiritual views and physiological systems, but to say we should eat bread because the people of the Bible ate bread and had recipes for bread takes it out of context and makes the text say something it never meant to say. C. Brains are there for a reason. I have the privilege to look at science and all of the insightful evidence it presents, so I see that grains and neolithic foods are harmful. Since I have the choice and the means to eat a high quality Paleo diet that works wonders for my body, I will do so. Paleo enhances my spiritual life through its many benefits. I now appreciate the life and death every animal sacrifices to give me life since I've learned to clean and process my meat. It's a beautiful thing. |
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Well I must say that for all the people who question whether or not this question is 'relevant', I think it's pretty telling that this question has generated an impressive response of answers and sub commentary. If a zillion people are highly interested in it and desire to discuss it, then the question commands its own relevancy in that context alone. I think it's monumentally important to point out that there (obviously) is a significant number of folk on PaleoHacks that claim to be Christian. I'm sorry if this ruffles feathers but chew on this thought for a bit.... The "Christians" commenting here seem to be ok with the conversion, and want to mesh with this community peacefully, even though some of the thinking behind the "Paleo" idea might disagree with their core beliefs. This means they are willing to objectively look at other aspects and consider the whole and not throw the baby out with the bath water. You might call this hypocritical or a "Christian in hiding" or whatever you want, but I call major hogwash on such a generalized declaration. Seems to me, by reading the commentaries, that the folks who got most upset by this comment are non-Christians who become almost offended by it. I can completely understand how a person claiming to be a Christian specifically attacking the validity of the core beliefs of Paleolitic times might be out of line, but that's a whole different approach. Personally, I see nothing wrong with this question. The OP clearly stated his intention, and even clarified that he believed the 2 worlds can happily mesh together, indicating an intention exactly opposite of what some commenters immediately called blame on him for. My take... Can people who call themselves Christians also intentionally eat "Paleo" style? Of course. Food is food, not a religion. Nobody on earth is currently living in either Bible times or Paleolithic times, so we are all forced to co-exist by default and both camps have people who are seeking the healthiest foods of our time. Eating eggs and the fat of ruminant animals does not contradict with the Bible in any way. Why do people struggle with the idea of combining Paleo diet and Christianity? Because many people believe that they contradict each other. But this notion stems more from the human evolutionary side of the Paleolithic era and people interpret the timeframes of the Bible and the passages that speak of food in different ways. In fact, the Bible teaches, in the Old Testament, that God wanted a sacrifice to be a healthy, fatty animal. He specifically commands NOT to eat the fat part of the animal before the sacrifice. Why? Because God condemns eating fat? One could take this command in this way. But it's the exact opposite actually. He wants a true and valuable sacrifice. Get it? The best part. Things are not always cut and dry folks. No need to spit flames at one another or become highly offended just because someone believes one thing that doesn't exactly line up with what you believe. |
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