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I really do not enjoy thinking of myself as too dumb for paleo, but after several feeble attempts at scouring the site for a better understanding of "epigenetics" or "epipaleo(?)," I just keep ending up getting confused by all the scientific jargon.

Judging by his credentials he seems to be a very smart guy, and I'd gladly pay for more information from him, but I'd like to at least get a basic understanding of the science for those of us who don't have PHDs in neuroscience.

Is there a useful forum or starter kit that you know that has some of his work written in a more accessable format? Or, for those of you experts, would you mind helping a fellow curious mind out?

To me his site seems like it sets out to be the ultimate health hack, and a few of the necessary components are cold showers, high protein breakfast, and paleo with an emphasis on seafood?

What ever happened to "paleo- so easy a caveman could do it?" Would you mind helping deciphering some of his key points for me?

Sorry for the trouble but thanks for the help.

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Epipaleo seems to revolved around brain health mostly. A lot of theory, not a lot of actual academic support/trials/case studies. – Matt Jan 6 at 20:45
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If he wanted you to understand it, he would explain it properly. – Varelse Jan 6 at 20:58
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don't judge by his credentials. read it and tell me if it makes any sense, and doesn't butcher grammar and english. – jake Jan 6 at 21:03

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I was a Kruse-ite for a while. His specialty is sick and broken metabolisms, to get the most from him, you will have to pay him to be your doctor. He offers on-line services/consults, etc... He has helped many, but you can't just take what he puts out there on the public part of his site and think you can use it to fix yourself.

Some universal truths I have gleaned from reading his site are: - Eat lots of fish - Get cold seasonally - Be mindful of circadian rythms - Let your blood labs be your guide - Get a doctor involved if you have serious metabolic issues

Kruse is a madman when it comes to spreading his word...he is un-tireable and is going in 15 directions at once. It's easy to take his advice out of context. He has a great website with a free section and several levels of pay sections. His forum is populated with some very forward thinkers. Give them a try.

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+1 comment..... – The Loon Jan 26 at 16:57
can you share why you are no longer a Kruse-ite? – The Loon Jan 26 at 16:57
I felt like I graduated from Quilt U. I took away a lot of good advice, but just don't fit the mold of the rest of the people on his website: metabolic disasters, hormone-driven problems, obese, etc... My optic is now living a long, healthy life. I eat lots of fish, get cold, sleep dark and am mindful of seasons. Don't need to log on to a forum every day to do those things. – akman Jan 28 at 20:28
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I cannot say I am Jack Kruze's fan, but I can share some of my thoughts with you, if you don't mind :)

There are many things that he says that just totally make sense. Basically, 99% of the things he says make total sense. Not using artificial light, eating more fish than meat, eating according to your circadian rhythm. Basically, I totally agree with him on circadian rhythms, but he needs to think about people's lives. We are not living in a vacuum, you know.

His story is impressive, although how do we know that he did not loose weigh just by going lower carb? If he kept his carbs less than 50 g per day - he would have lost the weight no matter what.

I disagree with him on a number of issues. First, he allows eating all kind of junk like sausages. How does he know that they are naturally fermented?

Low-carb diet is wonderful for people with deranged metabolism, but it should not be used in a long run and can backfire for insulin sensitive people.

Also, he gets mixed up at times. I found two discrepancies on his websites. He says that once you have achieved leptin re-set, you should have carbs for breakfast and protein for dinner - which totally makes sense. Yet he always talks about having protein only for breakfast which is only the beginning of a journey. It is not all that black and white.

Also, he addresses Gut-brain axis in a less professional manner. Gut dysbiosis, SIBO, leaky gut - it is very poorly explained and the ends are loose. Even though I am not a GAPS fan, GAPS makes more sense (scientifically) that this whole leptin reset theory. I would love to buy into leptin reset - it is so easy. However, I know now that most overweight people have different bacteria residing in their guts, compared to thin people.

For example, how does his leptin reset works for people with SIBO who have sugar cravings due to their bacterial overgrowth? You cannot just ignore so many different GI diseases that lead to being overweight. It is not all about high carb, leptin, whatever. Some babies become obese at the ripe age of 6 months. Don't tell me they have too many carbs or their leptin levels are out of whack.

Last, but not least - his website with gold, silver and whatever membership almost sounds like Amway distributers. And if you sign up for .... you get to ask the guru one question per month. Or even two. Of course, nothing in the world is free, but compared to other websites, people actually explain the whole procedure to you FOR FREE. You don't have to sigh up in order to do GAPS. And what can he offer that others don't? Weight loss procedure?

Maybe I am too critical because again he does have many helpful articles on his blog. And I have to admit - his ideas are quite brilliant. However, he offers very little help to those of us with impaired gut motility and GI disorders.

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+1 for being a solid explanation/critique. – Stephen Ross Jan 7 at 19:26
Just the kind of answer I was looking for. Thanks, VB. – alligator Jan 7 at 20:06
+1 answer, but to add that premium membership also allows you to ask questions on the "ask Jack" forum. You aren't guaranteed an answer. In addition, many websites also charge for their information. Dr. Wahl's has a wildly expensive book, DeVaney and Kresser also use paywalls. – The Loon Jan 26 at 16:55
True. But you also can find a 5 hour video of Dr. Wahl's presentation on youtube and Kresser has hours and hours of podcasts. And they are way more comprehensible in terms of simple steps. – VB Jan 26 at 17:24
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Okay, it really is pretty simple. It's like living and eating seasonally ancestrally. Follow light cycles, don't stay up late on the computer. Eat seafood, oysters are fantastic for your hormones. Take cold showers. In the winter we used to actually get cold, you know. As far as I know he's fine with carbs in spring and summer months.

To me his site seems like it sets out to be the ultimate health hack, and a few of the necessary components are cold showers, high protein breakfast, and paleo with an emphasis on seafood?

That's pretty much it, he gives a lot more details, but that's the gist of it.

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Okay, whoever downvoted this could you explain why you downvoted the answer that answered alligator's question of "Would you mind helping deciphering some of his key points for me"? Did you downvote this because you don't feel I addressed his question properly or..? – Stephen Ross Jan 7 at 1:52
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+1 for balance. I haven't read much of Kruse's stuff myself, but from what I do know of his work, this is a reasonable synopsis and it is posted in a reasonable manner. – Varelse Jan 7 at 2:04
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Thanks Stephen. Not sure what all the controversy is over, but I found this answer helpful. – alligator Jan 7 at 20:08
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Thanks Alligator, I'm glad it helped. Jack Kruse has seemingly had a steep falling off with the general paleo community. Probably because he can be a bit of a pompous know it all. I still think he has some valid points though, and I appreciate the angle he attacks health from. Specifically circadian biology, brain/gut health, seafood (I support the aquatic ape theory so this makes since). I was doing cold showers before I ran across his work because of possible hormetic benefits, and he seems to think it has to do with some sort of 'ancient pathway'. So I definitely have some differences – Stephen Ross Jan 7 at 20:31
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with him and his opinions but I think that most people could still better themselves significantly by incorporating some of his ideas in their daily lives. So I'm glad I could help, let me know if you do have any more questions in this regard, I've read a lot of his stuff. – Stephen Ross Jan 7 at 20:32
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Homo Sapien Sapiens left Africa relatively recently and so to eat extremely based on the seasons away from the equator is not natural for most. This is something Kruse (ex. seasonal carbs) and Sisson (ex. Fructose gorging in Autumn) need to think about. Some paleos dial back the carbs a little during winter but I doubt anyone is sleeping outside and in deep ketosis 24/7 during those months (Homo Sapien Sapiens don't hibernate).

I do like that Kruse emphasizes alot of offal and seafood.

Cold Showers can be hormetic to a healthy person just like fasting, anti-oxidants, etc...

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This seems like you're assuming we ate MORE carbs as we left Africa, but actually, I bet it's the opposite. The African Savannah has plenty of wild tubers, honey, and yes, even fruit (baobab comes to mind). – alligator Jan 7 at 19:16
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Not at all. What I'm saying is that we ate more carbs in Africa and that it was relatively recent. Most of us are not the direct children of HG's, rather some ratio of agriculture+HG blood. The seasonal fructose thing is BS and counterproductive for the majority of us. Today Homo Sapien Sapiens at the equator and on islands eat some ratio of plants (tubers/veg) and meat with some fruit (its pretty much always around, they just prefer the former). Fructose gorging to make it through the winter is BS. – Chris J. Jan 15 at 22:31
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Eating paleo is a simple as a cast iron skillet . Evoo. Iow heat, meat and veggies. Or as complex as sweet potatoes, roast, crock pot or stock pot, onion and garlic.
Most of us eat eggs everyday. Think of a whole foods diet without starch ie rice, or breads. Biggest thing is eat clean, do not eat out of a box or bag only eat foods in there original natural state. When in doubt Google it.

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He's asking more about epi-paleo here. It's kruse's version of paleo. – Stephen Ross Jan 6 at 21:12
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Srry my understanding was Kruse was a moron like primal toad – Richard Jan 6 at 22:25
No worries . – Stephen Ross Jan 6 at 22:45
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there's no "jack kruse for smart people," only "jack kruse for dummies."

don't waste your time with his stuff.

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assuming alpha-msh production in winter months actually means something, i don't care. that sounds like a heaping load of bullcrap, and your 'do you have any idea' approach is neither intriguing nor intimidating. i do just fine during winter, as do most people, without this secret knowledge. in fact, this is a prime example of what i hate about jack kruse. the insistence that without knowledge of things like 'alpha-msh production in winter months' we're just completely fucking up. BORING. – jake Jan 6 at 22:26
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If it involves jumping into cold-as-fuck water, I'm willing to accept the negative health effects of not jumping into said water. – Roth Jan 6 at 23:13
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Is everything you do what you believe to be 100% the bestest, most optimal thing out there? Your food, your exercise, your sleep cycle, your grooming products and regimen, no mediocrity anywhere...? Everyone has their tipping point of where it is worth it, and where it is too far. Why is "freezing cold shower" a bad tipping point? – Varelse Jan 7 at 0:48
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Luckie, I don't care what Jake's tipping point is. What I care about is Jake telling a fellow paleohacker that Jack Kruse's paleo hacks are a waste of time and discrediting a guy on the basis of 'he doesn't care'. This forum is pretty much made for people who come up with paleo hacks and to smear somebody without providing any scientific basis because you don't care is not conducive of a successful thriving paleohacks. Then he tells me he doesn't care about shit I've found on my own about cold therapy affecting alpha-msh, he says jack kruse said it and that it's boring. – Stephen Ross Jan 7 at 1:59
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Stephen, I just looked for studies showing cold exposure increases alpha-MSH and found none. Though even if it did that wouldn't mean you could expect the effects of increasing bodily production of a-MSH to be the same as topically applying that hormone to your teeth. Extrapolating health effects solely from speculated mechanisms is a problematic practice and Kruse's excessive propensity for doing so is why I avoid reading his work. – Mscott Jan 7 at 4:43
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i think kruse is a visionary in his thought process, sure it can seem a little zany, and this is partially due to his writing skills, but i think this is the sign of a man with so many ideas all at once, who is just bursting at the seams, so it comes out as a lengthy diatribe. at the heart of the ideas is evolutionary science. remember many of these ideas are hard to study in a RCT, as the outcomes dont make any money etc. Particularly of interest in the einsteins theory stuff i think, as it is a law of the universe, a universe that shaped our genome. most visionaries who are able to make a real difference are written off as lunatics at first...remember when people first proposed that the earth was round??

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