Perusing PaleoHacks.com I noticed that a few folks seem hell-bent on enforcing some sort of Paleo Group-Think upon inquiring minds.
For example, David Csonka asks a perfectly reasonable question about the protein content of green beans versus dried beans.
And yet, the answers and comments he gets are fairly aggressive, challenging him on whether or not the question should even be asked.
This, my fellow PaleoHackers, is lame.
So, what is the deal? Are you all becoming Group-Thinkers?
What we have here is something that should be familiar to anyone who has ever joined a club, attended a church or otherwise participated in any sort of voluntary association. The group is formed; everyone is excited about it. Enthusiasm and dynamism is compelling, and membership grows. Participants have varying levels of commitment to the group or cause; some enjoy the camaraderie or the development opportunity, while others are quite serious about the underlying goals or values of the group. All of this is fine.
Then differences begin to appear among the members, cliques are formed, adversarial situations start to bubble up.
And when, God forbid, someone goes slightly off-piste (or is perceived to do so), ungracious words are said, people get bent out of shape, and invariably someone decides to take his marbles and go home.
This is why we have so many Protestant denominations in this country. Lacking a strong governing authority, this is how we humans behave. Knowing this, I think it’s pretty clear how we should react. You're annoying; I'm annoying. Let’s move on and forget about the stupid sh*t.
And thus begins the voyage to planet Dogmatica. Intolerance, zeal begetting orthodoxy, and the closing of the collective mind. Sorry about your experience. I have only posted a few times but I read daily and enjoyed your comments.
What is so interesting is that there is no consensus, and tremendous variation among the Dr. Harrisses and Mark Sissons of the world to name only a few. Paleo knowledge and nutritional science are evolving as they should. Does anyone believe that this is THE LAST WORD? That we humble practitioners should be so rigid is sad.
If so offended, why not ignore them here and get on with your life taking a bit of comfort that you avoided the opportunity to be offensive?
Regardless what the membership thinks of the quality of the post by the OP regarding bean protein, I will agree with Patrik and state the the initial answers were completely out of line and not very conducive to a welcoming environment. And I'll also agree with Patrik that it seems to be an overlying tone with a few specific individuals.
The owners/admins of Paleohacks are very good at moderating and adjusting questions as they see fit, and we are not to assume their jobs as we are simply guests at their house.
I guess I can call myself "new paleo", as I have been around only for couple of months or so. I read, I think, I research... I am not a baby, I can figure out stuff. If something is posted that does not agree with general consensus about paleo diet, why not comment with short "you realize this isn't paleo, right?" or something similar. why attack? And there are many people who get into healthy eating slowly, in stages, and many times it's still choosing "lesser evil" - like beans instead of bread or so. I personally never liked beans, so I just skipped the thread all together, being only slightly surprised with it being posted.
To be honest, I'm quite certain a good portion of this community still doubts the possibility that somebody could be unable to eat meat or seafood, despite wanting to.
I began those series of questions in the hopes of finding the closest Paleo solution for a friend and colleague of mine, who lives with a good deal of metabolic and dietary restraints, not by choice, but as the result of disease and thyroid complications.
I'm pretty disillusioned with the community at this point, and don't really participate anymore. If any of the questions are "harmful" to newcomers, I'm sure they can be easily deleted. The group-think just reeks of Internet-nazis though. Yes, I just Godwin'd Paleohacks.
Thanks for setting up PaleoHacks Patrik, up until this point, it has been an amazing resource for me, and through others I have learned a great deal. Best of luck to you, and everybody else with your dietary goals.
I'm one of the least dogmatic people, but green beans is pushing it and might give the impression to new paleos that green beans are a good source of protein. Perhaps if the question had been asked with more context "Hi, my friend is tied to veganism because of X, but they want to make their diet as evolutionary appropriate as possible using vegan sources. We were thinking about beans and wondering which type would have the best protein ratio."
Because honestly, as the question stands, it does look very out of place on this site. If it were asked the other way we could get into issues of what really is the most "paleo" vegan source of protein. Arguably it's the very unpaleo fermented bean products of Asia, which as least have fewer antinutrients.
But instead I was left with...what do beans have to do with paleo?
With that, I will now edit that question with David's later comment. I hope no one minds :)
We are sick and tired of these candy ass questions about the protein content of peas, smelly sunscreen or cysts on your butt, for heaven's sake!
Look, if you want to follow a Peleo diet and behavior, then eat meat, lots of it, get out in the damn sunshine an take off your shirt, and stop complaining about you petty little aches and pains. Paleolithic humans were too busy recovering from multiple injuries from the hunt and were constantly avoiding sudden violent death to be concerned about a sunburn on their nose or a boo boo on their knee.
Man up! Go hard or go home!
I used to run a website for many years concerning the Dave Matthews Band, which had a message board system ("old school" in comparison to this one) that had around 20,000 subscribers, roughly a few thousand of those who were considered "active users."
There came a point when discussions veered way off-course, having very little do to with the band or absolutely nothing at all. We termed it "nDMBc," or non-Dave Matthews Band content. On the one hand, I thought it hurt the solid discussion of things band-related. However, I also saw the value in having it as long as it was kept separate in some manner so that people coming to the site were not confused by the vast array of topics. We wanted to keep it easier for people to find discussions they would want to read or join in on.
We solved the problem first by having folks put a small "nDMBc" at the beginning of their topic of discussion, so a quick scan made it easy to determine what was relevant to those wanting to discuss the band and what wasn't directly on topic. Later, we found it best to create a separate category of discussion with the same name, given that it had grown to some popularity (including discussion on sports, politics, etc.). It actually became a worthwhile section to check out, given that we had some very cool, smart people who had some highly entertaining discussions.
I'm not sure if any of this offers a solution to what's happening here. I guess my point is that we were able to resolve the issue and everything came out positive in the long-term.
When the Paleo equivalent of the "Council of Nicea" meets in the future lines will be drawn and heretics will be declared. I'll be laughing my ass off ... Would Jesus Paleo?