I've come to view excess body fat as a kind of female secondary sex characteristic these days that certainly doesn't do much to enhance the manliness of those males in possession of it. I encounter a lot of overweight or obese males who seem to view their girth as being mostly muscle, but it's solely the result of sweets, sweetened beverages, breads and other foods that seem to be more in what I at least associate with the female realm. You can't really get fat from gnawing on carcasses and other manly eating practices.
Furthermore, the excess fat enhances the extent to which testosterone is aromatized into estrogen, making these men more feminine from an endocrine standpoint.
Maybe this an angle that could be used to point the uninitiated in the right direction....
A curvy woman is sometimes pretty sexy. Body fat in certain places for woman is a marker of health and fertility. In women, fat on the breasts, hips, butt, and thighs is associated with healthier babies and better health outcomes in general. The "evolutionary" ideal women of course might not be as curvy as Holloway here, but she would not be a stick figure. She would have ample breasts, a "big butt," but a flat distinct waste. I see waaay too many women who are either waifs or have an apple shape without a waist. The last picture here is a hunter-gatherer woman displaying Steatopygia, a genetic disposition towards curviness that was sexually selected for in some tribes. Some anthropologists think that many paleolithic women might have had this based on art like that shown below.
Body fat is never a marker of health and fertility in men. I've seen some hunter-gatherer men with round tummies from bloating, probably caused by parasites or high fiber intake.
This is an evolutionary psychology position that I think is fairly well accepted.
If overweight men look more feminine to you it's probably because women naturally carry more body fat.
If you're thinking about it with regard to sweets, you need to start taking commercials less seriously. Guys eat sweets too. When you mention sugary drinks... honestly I associate women more with diet drinks. Whether that's actually true or not, I don't know, but I don't associate sugary drinks with women so much as with men, kids, and teenagers. And breads I associate with pretty much everything.
Paleo diets are already "marketed" to men as being "manly." I honestly think that's a stereotype and it's not going to do very well in the long run by feminizing overweight men.
Im an ectomorph but..
Worlds strongest man last two years http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BDydr%C5%ABnas_Savickas
UFC Heavyweight Champion (Cain) http://www.fiveknuckles.com/assets/images/fighters/Velasquez2.jpg
IMO, and the option of many the best fighter to have ever lived (Fedor) http://www.fightmusic360.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/fedor.jpg
Ive noticed that at least in the fight and strength game the most "cut" guys are often not the best. Cain, Fedor, Shogun, BJ Penn and even Anderson Silva look far from a magazine cover model but they all are considered some of the best fighters alive. There are outliers like GSP or Pudzianowski but overall Id say the old sang of "cant judge a book by its cover" rings true.
(personal opinion time) I'd rather abandon parts of the masculine/feminine scale for movement and fitness.
My impressions of fitness often come from body-composition, but are always adjusted by how someone moves.
If you can move with grace and strength, that contributes to my impression of health more than almost anything else.
This does make it a bit harder to get that information from stationary graphics, but that is only one reason why Real Life is better for most everything.
Yes, in general I agree. (Obviously there are exceptions.) It's not a slam against females, it's that overweight nonathletic males tend to get things like breasts and etc.
This appears to be even more true with the younger generation of males. Many of the overweight older males that I know are in jobs that require physical activity and most younger peoples jobs are not. (The older overweight males that I know are not extremely overweight except for the beer belly.) I can't help but wonder if it's a combination of increased estrogen intake/exposure/pollution (soy & plastics) and a decrease in testosterone enhancing activities.
Yes Op overweight men carry more estrogen and are in fact more womanly. I LOL at the fat guys who think they are muscular.. they are just deluding themselves from teh fact that they are greater than 20% bf
On July 4th we were at a lacrosse game and an individual sat down a couple of rows in front of us. Medium-long hair, fairly seriously overweight, and a pair of breasts that certainly put mine to shame. I had to poll my family, but the consensus was that it was a male. Definitely not masculine. Yecch.