Just wondering what your thoughts on them and their diet.
I was an adherent to the Doug Graham way for a little over two years. From what I could tell interacting with a large part of the community during that time, 80-10-10 leaves you either emaciated and skinny, or emaciated and fat. There are only a handful of exceptions to this, and all of them are ferociously athletic (marathoners, basically). In fact even the ridiculously athletic people seem to end up looking incredibly thin, despite loading up on as many calories they can possibly consume from fruit and greens.
In my personal experience, 80-10-10 initially seemed fantastic. I started losing weight very quickly and had more energy than I had previously experienced. But after 8 or 9 months, I started losing hair, my energy was low, the weight loss stalled, my teeth were suffering (chewing became physically painful), and I started having issues with depression. At the advice of 30BaD, I dramatically increased my calorie intake (from 1200 to 2300, from 1lb of greens to 3-4lbs). After 6 months of that I had recovered from some of the issues I was experiencing, but gained back a significant amount of the weight I had lost. At the advice of 30BaD, I increased my calorie intake again (by 400) and dramatically increased my level of exercise (from running 20 miles per week to 35, plus weight training). I did that for 10 months and gave up. When I stopped, I was absolutely miserable. One day I would have energy and I would workout and lose weight, the next I could barely drag myself out of bed - and no amount of bananas or date-water could convince my legs to run 5 miles.
I have no doubt the diet can be successful, even long term, for an incredibly active individual who is willing to devote his or her life to their diet and exercise regime. I am definitely not that person. I tried it, I hated it. It's not for me. I definitely prefer a more "paleo" approach to life. Less cardio, less forcefeeding, and a fuckload less time on the toilet. Also more hair. Which is nice.
This diet is very dangerous and some people get really sick from it. I'm included in that and I'm still recovering from this diet 2 years later.
I've written an article about my nightmare of a health on the diet here: http://thepaleodiet.net/how-steve-pavlina-almost-killed-me/
I can only hope that people in search for a solution for their problems will hear about the paleo diet before the raw food diet because it will save them many problem.
what does google think about it? hmm
well that is google's opinion on the matter :-)
I love dogs and was HORRIFIED when Durianrider posted pics of dogs being put in ovens or pig-tied for slaughter, in order to "make his point" about meat-eating. I was so anxious that he would put ideas into the heads of depraved people in this world. He is NOT helping cows & pigs but only debasing the life of DOGS: MAN'S BEST FRIEND. It's another New Age Counterfeit to put man's companion animals on the same level as those he uses for food. VERY DANGEROUS PERSON TO DO THIS.
This was my meal replacement: 10 bananas, 10 dates and blueberries for breakfast blender meal. [Reason for being banned]: Then a piece cheese for lunch and SKIP DINNER. But according to them, NO animal, FASTING OR UNDER-EATING--as that's how you get fat as the body goes into storage mode. But by eating 3 grand calories daily the body "trusts" you & will dis-fatten. That's their theory. Thanks for this forum
This is basically Ornish's diet, with a raw vegan twist on it. I think 10% fat is probably at or below the limit of what's possible while remaining healthy.
It is probably tough to avoid EFA deficiency on this diet.
Cordain's paper on HG macronutrient ratios puts fat at a minimum of 25%. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10702160
Thirty 100 gram bananas would provide (nutritiondata on raw bananas)
Minerals (relative to RDA) - 30% Calcium, Iron, Zinc, Selenium, 40% Manganese, 60% Phosphorus, 120% Copper, 210% Magnesium, 300% Potassium
Vitamins (relative to RDA) - 30% A, 60% B1, 120% B2, 90% B5, 90% B3, 150% B9, 450% C, 30% E, 30% K
A not very delicious twist on aiming for diabetes (see Drew's link). The equivalent of yams or potatoes (by calories), which would provide about 1/10th the sugar.
There's a woman I know with a whole passel of kids who is a raw food superstar online. People LURVE her and always cite her as an example of vegan raw perfection. But in real life she is gray with circles under her eyes and all her kids have the same dark circles and bad complexions. Plus they are ALWAYS sick. ALWAYS.
There are some great vegan & raw recipes out there and some of them make sense with Paleo (I just got a book from a friend with some dressing/dips that I think will go well with our new lifestyle) but others are so time-consuming and crazy! I told my husband this is the difference:
Raw/Vegan meal: Soak the nuts then grind to a fine paste. Add sprouted seeds. Chop several vegetables and add a single teaspoon obscure ingredient you paid an arm and a leg for but without which the recipe will fail spectacularly. Eat. Repeat in an hour when you're starving again.
Paleo meal: Sear the meat. Enjoy. Repeat in five hours.
To add to what everybody is saying, maybe you'd want to read the experiences of this ex-vegan illuminating:
Every day for the past 2 months I have eaten fish or a piece of meat or eggs. To my never ending shock I have found that I digest a meat and veggie meal far, far better than I ever digested a whole grain/nut/veggie meal. I know that the lipid hypothesis is completely fallacious, these animal foods won’t hurt me or cause me ill health in anyway, in fact, the vitamins and minerals they provide, along with the nutritious cholesterol and wholesome saturated fat, will restore my health. And they have. There are few things as healthy and nutritious as grass fed, organic animal products. So, for these past months, I ate animals and animal products every single day. And, I say with a huge, grateful smile on my face: I’m back! After 1 month on my new diet my blood levels were either normal, or almost normal. After 2 months every single deficiency and out of whack number was completely restored to the healthy, normal range. Not one problem. Not one.
They always say you don’t really know what health is until you’ve lost it. And I never realized how unhealthy I actually was until I started feeling better. Glowing is the only way I can possibly begin to describe the way I feel now. If I was a religious woman, miraculous would have to be my word of choice to express the transformation I’ve undergone in the past 2 months. I’m now reveling in my health; basking in the clear headed precision of my thoughts, the strength of my legs when I run, the warmth radiating from my skin, the slow, melodic power of my heart, and the perfect knowledge of my body when it tells me exactly what to eat, how much, and when.eat, how much, and when.
It's interesting that a lot of them are marathoners. I like Robert Lustig's take on fructose and athletes. Paraphrasing here:
"If you're an elite athlete, you can do whatever you want. You can have unlimited fructose. But it's not the athletes drinking the gatorade. It's the fat kids."
So you can probably get away with all that fructose as long as you're exercising nonstop. But I wonder what happens when sedentary....
Regardless, that doesn't prevent you from becoming deficient as hell in various micro-nutrients.
Here's what I think of that site. Even when I was a raw food vegan, I thought those guys were crazy. It's obviously a totally deficient diet. May make you feel okay in the short term, but the lack of very essential nutrients will eventually catch up with you.
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