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In The Perfect Health Diet, the authors list white rice as a safe starch. I have began experimenting with soaking then cooking white rice as I run better on more carbs. Has anyone tried adding some rice in their diet? If so, how did you react? How about soaking rice? Thanks.

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I feel that if you're active and need safe starches, white rice is about the safest there is. The Okinawans have about the healthiest diet and longest life span. Lots of fatty meat. A little protein and some starch, mostly rice. I personally felt really bad on strict paleo with only sweet potatoes as starch. I started to eat waaaay too much fruit. I just felt bad. I tried for over a year, too. Then, I added in rice and white potatoes and felt much better. Obviously, it will be different for each person. We all have different genetics, toxin loads, environments, etc. I do think, though, that a more active person will generally need more carbs in the form of safe starches.

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Thanks Jamie. I agree. I also feel similar about needing more starch. kept thinking 'what am i doing wrong?' turns out all i needed was some more starch. I am very active. – Daninidaho Feb 5 2011 at 3:06
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Correlation does not imply causation. Just because Okinawans eat rice and Okinawans are healthy does not mean the rice is the healthy part of their lives. COuld be any number of things like exercise, sunshine, like of chemicals and hormones in their environment, etc. Even though I am tempted to agree that their diet sounds more healthy than most, I do not want to fall into the trap of assuming correlation implies causation. – Eva Feb 5 2011 at 5:10
Oops "like of" should have been "lack of" – Eva Feb 5 2011 at 5:11
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Yes, of course. I know correlation does not mean causation. I should have stated it differently. It is something to perhaps note, though, that their diet is very close to a paleo diet (in definition) and they happen to have long life expectancy. Could be any number of things. All that aside, I personally feel better with starch in my very active life. Take that for what you will ;) – Jamie Feb 6 2011 at 2:01
I believe you are right that each person has different needs. I am still not too convinced that my daughter's needs are not different than mine. I cannot feel her body yet also cannot trust her instincts (sugar). Would love to have a dietary bible printed out for me, but alas there really is not only one Paleo book. I'd be perfectly willing to offer her potatoes as a desert if she was still hungry, but before the better choices...no go!! And guess what, as a desert, she won't be satisfied. So I can't yet justify them. – Kathi May 15 2011 at 18:57
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I choose potato over white rice every time except for sushi. Potato sushi never fails to disappoint.

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The answer is sashimi! ;-) – Eva Feb 5 2011 at 5:12
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Yeah true...but the joke is Potato sushi...funny! That's why the Irish didn't invent sushi. – Andre Chimene Feb 5 2011 at 7:50
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Sashimi is awesome, except you have to spend $100 to get full. – Tom R. Feb 5 2011 at 15:47
lol, so true Tom – MasterB Feb 6 2011 at 5:09
You don't have to spend so much, when you carve up your own, but the whole satisfaction comes from the "choreography" chop sticks, soy sauce, wasabee........take all that away and you've got plain old healthy fish. – Kathi May 15 2011 at 18:58
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White rice is the name given to milled rice that has had its husk, bran, and germ removed. After milling, the rice is polished for a bright, white, shiny appearance.

Very often the rice is polished using Talc- Talc is a mineral composed of hydrated magnesium silicate with the chemical formula H2Mg3(SiO3)4 or Mg3Si4O10(OH)2. In loose form, it is the widely-used substance known as talcum powder.

The reason, traditionally, to soak rice or least wash it thoroughly several times is to remove residues of Talc which is almost always present in polished rice.

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I don't think that they polish with talc in the US anymore. Could be true of non-US rice, though. – contravert May 15 2011 at 16:30
Some japanese rices specifically state that they are Talc-Free. I assume that the others don't do that because they are not talc-free. – Tikivana Oct 9 2011 at 20:31
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I think soaking is not needed since its so processed. I'd try to figure out how it effects your blood sugar, maybe with a glucose meter? It doesn't bother me. I'm eating some now because I had a lot of sauce with my curry and needed something to absorb it. My main objection to it is that it can displace better foods.

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Thanks for the reply. Yeah i do feel better on more carbs and do eat tons of sweet potatoes but i'm looking for some other safe starches. I don't have blood sugar issues and use most of my starches for post workout recovery. ps-keep up the great work on your blog. – Daninidaho Feb 5 2011 at 2:05
I think soaking is not needed since its so processed. I think rice isnt so processed. soaking changes somethink. The preperation is the thing which makes rice healthy or not. – oak0y Feb 5 2011 at 3:32
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I don't eat it much, but I suspect a little bit doesn't cause any major problems. Just that as you said, it has very little nutrients in it so it's basically empty calories. Potatoes and tubers, on the hand, have some nutrition to offer. As I eat less food these days, I also find myself looking more at the overall value of each food that I eat. When I eat a food, I like to think that each bite it a healthful contribution to my body. I don't feel that way about rice, although it might be helpful for those who want to gain weight, are tired of potatoes, and can't think of any other carb. – Eva Feb 5 2011 at 5:08
Rinse, not soak. Sort and remove dirt or debris, if any. That's all, I think. I soaked a bag of rice (as if I was soaking a beans) for a week and ruined it. When cooked, rice becomes soggy, is never done. Was trying to remove that white stuff when you rinse but apparently, that's not necessary. – Namby Pamby Jan 5 2012 at 19:08
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soaking is for brown rice only. no need to soak white rice at all. the soaking process is actually to ferment the brown rice, which is why you soak with raw whey, and the only reason one who would to do this is to have positive bacteria predigest the rice so that it becomes more easily digestable for you. it reduces phytates (phytic acid) that is present in brown rice only.

and although brown rice is a darling 'grain' among mainstream 'health conscious' folk, it is only so for the same reasons that other whole grains are. the only difference between brown rice and white rice is the nutrients and the fiber of the shell. the jaminets argue that the there is no need to ingest that because you can simply get those same nutrients elsewhere, and you can avoid the antinutrients and grain proteins associated with the brown rice by just eating the stripped down version that we know as white rice. with rice, the starchy portion is separable from the rest. this is different from white flour products, which still contain the gluten proteins of wheat since the it's all ground up together during processing.

so now, after a several month hiatus from white rice, i'm glad to say it's back! just remember, white rice always taste better with a spoonful of pasture butter melted into it while it's still hot!

enjoy :)

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Jack, does basmati fall under the white rice, "safe" starch? Do you need to soak it? Or should I just be using long grain white? – Todd May 11 2011 at 22:28
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this is completely anecdotal, but i grew up eating white rice and remember how it was important to thoroughly soak and rinse the rice before cooking to remove the toxins. then when i started learning about health food, i switched to brown rice, and the argument became 'don't rinse it! you're washing out all the fiber and nutrients!'

years later i believe all the fiber in my high-fruit, high-fiber diet had a bad effect on my gut and led to IBS.

since going paleo rice is one of the few carbs i still eat. i like to eat it with lots of butter or bacon grease to make it more satiating. but in general it tastes very bland to me and prefer mashed sweet potatoes.

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One of the best ways to lose fat and gain muscle mass, is eating a diet that consists of rice - even white rice, with bean - veg and animal protein. No Sugar, No Bread, No Dairy, Just rice, beans / veg and animal protein...

You´ll never feel hunger pains, and you´ll have plenty of energy to go to the gym...I´ve never experienced such dramatic gains in my weight training, in as far as muscle ' strength gains and fat loss, until I started eating this way...

I stay away from all sugar, bread and dairy..and I eat rice, beans /vegetables..etc chicken, steak, eggs...and a lot of water. Combined with exercise, particularly anaerobic - weight training..You´ll be amazed at how much muscle you´ll gain, and how the fat melts off.

When I come accross people who pupu white rice, my first thought is ¨What A Damn Idiot¨..White rice is a great foundation, for anyone who wants to get and stay fit.

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Nice answer. I do what you're talking about save for the beans. maybe I should experiment. I agree that white rice as a solid starch foundation to do some serious lifting/athletics is wise. Not essential, but wise and harmless. i go sweet potatoes and white rice. – ben61820 May 15 2011 at 13:55
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I have seen studies that say rice has something in it that is very much like gluten. So, if you know have problems with gluten, you may want to slowly add rice to a paleo diet - for example, have some one day, then wait a few days before you have more.

As I recall, Dr Harris says to have some potatoes or white rice if you seem to need starch. I do not think the Jaminet's consider themselves to be paleo.

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I believe this is what you're referring to: celiac.com/articles/8/1/… – Jamie Feb 5 2011 at 4:49
There's actually gluten in rice as well, just a different "type" of gluten. All grains have gluten believe it or not, the one that is most known and causes the most damage is gluten from wheat, rye and barley. The good news is white rice contains the least amount of gluten and is the safest grain because of this, next to the fact it has no anti-nutrients of course. But if you have blood sugar issues I've heard sweet potatoes work better. – justanotherhunt May 15 2011 at 3:31
I don't believe all grains contain gluten. I believe all grains contain prolamines of which gluten is one type. I also believe the prolamines are in the rice husk, so whole grain rice would be bad but polished rice is almost all glucose. – Caveman formally known as Dan Aug 26 2011 at 23:17
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We're Paleo-inspired. We think Paleolithic diets were very healthy, and that most Paleolithic diets closely resembled ours. But there are a few established "Paleo" brands which differ a bit from our diet, and we don't want to fight with anyone over the meaning of the word "Paleo." Our commitment is to the healthiest possible diet, not the most Paleo-like diet, so the name we chose seems more descriptive. – Paul Jaminet Aug 27 2011 at 19:58
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The starch issue as stated by the Jaminets shed light on my main dietary problem: constipation. According to them starch causes mucin to form in the intestenial tract, as I understand it, making a protective surface on ones innards. A little white rice or potato or sweet potato goes a long way. I use Texmanti rice from Rice Select. It does not seem to be highly polished and I don't soak it.

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So Doris, adding starch has effected your constipation how ? How much of it do you eat ? Thank you (we're in the same boat) ;) – Ikco Feb 16 2011 at 20:30
Ikco, Not much a quarter cup maybe with butter. Same with mashed potatos. The starch seems to allow a more comfortable bowel movement, just to be blunt about it. Eating a little starch in these forms seem to be the missing piece of the dietary puzzle for me. I am at my goal weight and I suspect that the starch may interfer with weight loss, but it the amount has not caused me to gain. – Doris Feb 19 2011 at 15:12
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After reading Carbohydrates and the Thyroid yesterday I tested on 3 tablespoons of white rice.

In the night my belly started to rumbel and now I'm puffy round my eyes, bloated and my nose is congested.

Could I get accustomed to it, if I ate it regularly? Or does it look like some allergic reaction?

Edit: My jaw joint has made a cracky noise for a few times this morning and my mouth feels as if my teeth have grown.

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There are different ways of white rice.

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I eat some white rice. But it does seem to elevate my blood glucose excessively.

Also, I want more and more and more. I could easily eat a huge plate of rice.

For carbs I tend to go with "roots," including potatoes.

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How to you for your glucose levels ? How does the rice differ from potatoes ? Thanks ! – Ikco May 15 2011 at 14:01
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The first time I tried white rice after not having grains for months, it gave me serious gas. I hadn't rinsed or soaked it at all and when I poured the cooking water over it, the water was instantly cloudy. I remember thinking that it didn't look right, but I was too lazy to do anything about it.

A few weeks later I gave it another go, but I rinsed it in a sieve under running water until the water ran clear and I had zero problems. Good thing too, cause I love white rice, and potatoes just don't go with some things.

Now I have rice several times a week and I always rinse it til it sits in clear water. Maybe it was the talc that was the original problem?

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I had the exact same experience. It was surely the talc that was causing the problem. – ROB May 15 2011 at 14:12
Soaking solved the problem for me, too. – Adulescens Appetens Nov 26 2011 at 4:14
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I eat white rice probably twice per week and have no reactions. I like it a lot, in fact.

I do not think you have to, or its worth your time to, soak white rice. You CAN indeed rinse it, though. This i believe is more just to get off any physical items like dirt, whatever that may have attached itself to the grains.

Living in Japan I learned that almost all people always rinse their white rice. Its absolutely default there. Brown rice, incidentally, is very rare. It is of course available but its something special, that one would have to make a point to get ahold of and cook.

I will note though that in the last maybe 10 years brown rice has indeed become more available on menus in Japan. I presume this is just the general consensus that brown rice is better for you spreading around the world.

Secondary question if i may be allowed: though many here would opt for white rice I wonder if the seriously small amount of bran that is even on brown rice would matter either way. In other words, we usually say "brown is actually no good so eat white" though society will tell you different. I just wonder if it matters either way, assuming its not an absolute staple in your diet.

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I eat very strict paleo and my boyfriend was going to try it for 30 days but he is a type 1 diabetic and the doctor said he needs more direct carbs mim 120g a day. so we are going to add more sweet potatoes for him but we are trying to decide if adding rice or beans would be better for him. Does anyone have any answers for us and can help here?

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