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Does anyone have any experience with this? If so, would you recommend? If wouldnt recommend do you have any other doctors or protocols you'd advocate?

(I already eat almost 100% organic Paleo for over a year with all food allergens taken out, 9 hours of sleep, Strong Lifts, vitamin D3, probiotics, kelp, vitamin K, Natural Calm and a DHEA cream that is not cascading into estrogen)

http://www.charlespoliquin.com/ArticlesMultimedia/Articles/Article/47/Testosterone_Boosters_-_How_I_Help_My_Clients_the_.aspx

Thanks

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Geoff
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	Do you have low testosterone? – Bill Feb 15 2011 at 1:16
	Bill, from what I understand, there really is no definition for "low testosterone". I know there is a chart, but every doctor you talk to will have a different definition of low. – Jason Feb 15 2011 at 1:22
	@ Bill, yes. @Jason, it is my understanding that 400 ng/ml is the minimum for a high quality of life – Geoff Feb 15 2011 at 1:41
	Well there are certain minimums for every age group and when you combine anything below those minimums along with symptoms then you got your low testosterone. – Bill Feb 15 2011 at 3:26
	Geoff... have you lost alot of weight recently? What are your average calories? Dieting, too much intermittent fasting, too low calories, not enough cholestorol and animal fats... these things can take a hit on T. If you don;t mind me asking, what is your age and what was your level? Did you get all the other hormones tested like LH, FSH, Prolactin, Estrogen, Thyroid...etc? – Bill Mar 1 2011 at 18:04

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Jason · Answer 1 · 2011-02-15 01:19:39Z UTC

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I use bioidentical hormones from Dr. Edward Pearson. $500 for a saliva test and the 'script is around $50/mo. Not paleo but I have to think it's safer and more effective than Poliquin's protocol.

answered Feb 15 2011 at 1:19

Jason
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	What was your testosterone before you started and what is it now? What is your age? Did the doc tell you the reason (adrenals, cortisol, low FSH/LH, testies)? – Geoff Feb 15 2011 at 1:43
	How could bio identical hormones be superior than Charles Protocol which, from what I see, seems to stimulate more natural production of male hormones and without compromising your own natural production. Bioidentical hormones is a life scentence dude, you can't really come back from that. Why not find out why the testosterone is low and try to fix it? – Bill Feb 15 2011 at 3:25
	Bill, do you have any studies showing bioidenticals permanently suppress natural production of test? If so, I'd like to read them. – Jason Feb 16 2011 at 2:00
	Not sure but isn't just a general accepted fact that taking hormones downregulates your bodies own production of them? I mean if your over 40 then shoot for the bioindentical but if your younger then try to recovery your natural hormones. – Bill Mar 1 2011 at 6:48

TheOriginalKaz · Answer 2 · 2011-03-16 00:21:28Z UTC

Some of what Poliquin suggests can clearly help raise testosterone - ALA (alpha lypoic acid) being one of the better ones on his list. But I feel he is wrong in dosing licorice and pantathine, which both encourage cortisol production. Cortisol is catabolic to testosterone (reduces its levels).

Jason · Answer 3 · 2011-02-15 01:21:23Z UTC

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Sorry, meant to post his contact info: http://newmedicinefoundation.com/Contact.aspx

Everything can be done by mail. He's based in Florida.

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Jason
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Bill · Answer 4 · 2011-02-15 05:13:56Z UTC

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This protocol looks suprisingly similar to hat Rob Wolff just did... check it out

http://robbwolf.com/2011/01/24/my-training-at-39/

Looks good to me. Might try it myself as I have low test. Minus the DHEA and melatonin though.

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Bill
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	I agree it does look similar. What's interesting is that Robb seemed unimpressed by Poliquin's supplement protocols a few years back. robbwolf.com/tag/poliquin I highly respect Robb and Poliquin also seems pretty legit so the conflict surprised me. Poliquin's plan looks to be pretty good but Robb said in some of the postings that it promised more than it could deliver. That was 2 plus years ago. Fast forward to today and Robb seems to have gotten great mileage out of a similar plan. Id jump on the Poliquin protocol but its around $325 so I want to see if anyone has any first hand – Geoff Feb 15 2011 at 5:42
	experience with it. Also some of his supps have nightshades in them and one has some kind of oat. I know that Poliquin, like Robb is well respected but still, $325 is not chump change and Ive seen no reviews of the program online. That is suspicious... us.cpoliquin.com/product_p/… – Geoff Feb 15 2011 at 5:46
	You can probably find supplements similar but not his brands, like Tribulis, Holy Basil, R-LA. – Bill Feb 15 2011 at 17:27

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