Dr Harris addressed this on his forum before getting pissed at forums and closing it down.

Basically, whenever he says "Rice Krispies", he's talking about some sort of generic "toasted rice". It may contain some amount of added sugar, but in the grand scheme of things it's not that significant (sweet potatoes contain sucrose too). His goal was to up his starch intake to help deal with a period of additional physical activity and probably had something to do with his changing views on ketosis.

From his perspective, "processing" is largely irrelevant, since "processing" includes such things as cooking, cutting or doing virtually anything other than killing and immediately eating something. Toasting some rice to make it crisp isn't any more a big deal than cooking a steak or boiling vegetables.

So whatever he's eating, it's not very sugary, its processing is minimal/irrelevant, and Harris has always been a milk-neutral sort of person (drink it if you tolerate it, don't if you don't).

PaNu is "Paleo". It's what Paleo should be, at least: use ideas about the past to generate hypotheses and then test them using modern science. If Paleo means stopping short of the test, then no, Panu isn't Paleo. If Paleo can handle getting tested, you'd get PaNu.

this is ridiculously over obsessive

I think he said on his blog that he meant generic rice krispies. The actual brand contains barley malt which contains gluten. It is a common mistake of beginning gluten-intolerant and celiacs to think Rice Krispies cereal is safe. It is also full of sugar. Not my first choice if I am going to waste some empty carbs.

Actually, Harris talks about carb levels from 5% to much higher than 20%. I believe Guyenet and Jaminet and others are ones recommending 20% carb being a minimum.

PaNu is a much more progressive/scientific version of Paleo. Based upon the remarks here, maybe it shouldn’t be lumped in with Paleo at all. I wouldn’t discount it though without reading more about what PaNu is all about.

It's not necessarily sweetened, so it would just be puffed rice. Rice isn't all that bad, it's just a nutrient-poor starch. Those nations who largely eat rice to their heart's content while eating low amounts of fructose are far leaner than other nations. The conventional wisdom offered by the lipid hypothesis states that it's the low amount of fat in their diets that keeps them lean. We know this to not be true, obviously.

It depends on whether he's talking about the literal Kellogg's cereal or whether he's doing that ubiquitous name brand thing like where all disposable handkerchiefs are Kleenex even if they're Puffs or store brand.

That, and maybe the name brand Rice Krispies didn't always have sugar in it. The big cereal companies change formulation all the time. I remember Krispies tasting real plain when I was a kid, and not being really crazy about them. At some point they tasted better to me. Maybe the difference in sugar content is why. So maybe Dr. Harris is operating from previous knowledge of the product and hasn't checked the label lately. It happens.

If it is just puffed rice I wouldn't see quite as much concern with it. Rice is probably the least harmful of the true grains. (Quinoa and amaranth are broadleaf seeds. Grains come from grasses.) At that point my only real concern is whether the cereal is extruded. If so, I still wouldn't eat it--I have heard from the Weston Price folks that extrusion warps the proteins in ways that aren't terribly good for us.

I'd much rather have yams, sweet potatoes and good old regular potatoes before I touch rice krispies ever again.

Tonight, I was ravenous, but didn't feel like cooking. I had a box of Trader Joe's Crispy Rice cereal from several months ago unopened in the pantry, and recalled this thread. It had been 7 weeks since I've had any (significant amounts of) grains, but I figured; hell, why not? I poured a bowl, but I didn't want to use milk. I think I do okay with dairy, but I just didn't feel like breaking too many "rules" this night. I instead poured enough heavy cream on the cereal to get the cereal wet, but not enough to get the cereal soaking, to provide a vaguely milky flavor and texture and went to town.

Eating the Crispy Rice cereal has a minor amount of what I call the 'heavy gut' feeling (many here have said happens) when I eat grain or starches. However, the small amount of cereal I had filled me up quite nicely (which, back in my SAD days would not have; I would have had to eat at least twice the amount I had tonight, with much more milk). I didn't experience any headaches or strange stomach pains I usually get with grains/starches either.

All in all, it isn't something I would do often as weight loss is a goal, but for a quick and "dirty" meal, it could have been worse. Just felt like sharing! :)

That sounds tasty...I haven't had those in many years, but with some many vitamin-rich starches...why???? My favorite starches are plantains cooked in coconut oil, cassava, and purple yam.

Nope, but I'm not 150lbs at 5'11"!

I would probably not at the moment, but never say never. Most times that I have declared "Never!", I had to eat my words. I (we) need to remember that we are trying to get the nutritional, movement/fitness and lifestyle benefits from a Paleo/Primal approach, not to simply recreate the Paleolithic, wearing furs and eating just killed, still warm game animals. I try to look at every choice that I (and others) make and decide whether it fills a need and, if it does, that doesn't harm you in the process. If the answer is yes to both questions, then maybe it would be worth considering. But no, I won't be having krispies and cream tomorrow morning. Just cream and coffee, and maybe eggs, thanks.

I wouldn't, but only because rice tears up my stomach. I'm pretty sure all grains upset my digestive system, though.

i started using rice krispies(or fake ones, generic) in meatloaf, meatballs etc

Sure, but I would choose unsweetened rice crisps. I tend to be too thin (trying to gain) and am very active, plus experimenting has proven I do best with plenty of starch. I get it from potatoes, sweet potatoes, other sweet/starchy veg, white rice - and some milk chocolate and ice cream.

I guess if one were trying to gain weight, it would not be a big deal. Milk and starch are good for weight gain and eating only potatoes for the starch could get boring after a while. I would probably not eat them every day though as white rice has very little nutritional value. And milk does not seem to bother me, so for myself, milk does not seem to cause any obvious harm. I am thinking maybe he just really likes the taste of that breakfast and so decided that this kind of moderate slip/cheat is not a big deal and worth it for the value of the taste. (I can't imagine, tastewise, wanting to put vegetables in my milk and cereal though..)