I have read several of the threads on CLO and HVBO, but mostly they were just facts and opinions of whether or not it's good to take or not. I'm looking for real testimonies of people who take one of them or both of them, or people who have ever tried either.
What brand did you take? Was it naturally fermented or fortified with vitamins?
What flavors? Anybody try the butter pecan flavor of the butter oil?
And most importantly, what is your personal real life testimony of what (if anything) taking either of these supplements has done for your health? If these are supposed to be such great sources of vitamins and nutrients, then let's hear from the people who are actually taking it regularly or have taken it in the past?
Any negative reactions and/or negative stories? Any glaringly positive reactions and/or stories?
How about the idea of taking several spoons of grass fed ghee in place of the expensive butter oil?
We've all read loads and loads of essays and write-ups about both, but these are some of the most expensive supplements out there so let's hear the real deal folks.
Well, this may be a little TMI, but you DID ask... I got my first natural period in several years about two weeks after I switched from just fermented cod liver oil to the fermented cod liver oil/butter oil blend (Green Pastures, Blue Ice). Maybe it was a coincidence, or maybe my new high fat diet finally caught up and started to make positive changes in me, but I suspect that the FCLO/BO blend had something to do with it. They're supposed to be synergistic. This was very recent, so it may have been a one off incident- we'll find out in the next few months if this is the new normal, or a once and done thing.
I prefer taking the pills even though they're a little more expensive. I'm trying to finish off the gel blend right now- it doesn't taste bad, kind of like fish cooked in butter, but the texture is horrible. I have a sensitive gag reflex though, so YMMV.
I am on my second bottle of green pastures fclo/bo blend and I take 8 capsules a day. My mood is much improved. I think it has really helped with my depression. And my skin is much less oily. My husband has even noticed and my makeup lasts all day now. I love it and if I had to choose between fclo/bo or groceries, the fclo would win.
I started taking it in December hoping to become pregnant (not from the CLO/HVBO obviously), then took a last-minute job in Kyrgyzstan. Took my Green Pastures Blue Ice Royal (Cinnamon Tingle as pictured) with me. I spent three weeks in transit to my final destination, about 30 hours in planes, quite stressful in the adjustment, and now live with four other people and work around a bunch more. They've been sick off and on all winter. I haven't been.
I would usually get one or two nasty colds a winter (neti pot has kept me from sinus infections for the last two years), to say nothing of air travel, but no colds so far this winter. I don't take it every day because I'm trying to make it last for three months, but I credit the 'sacred blend' for my unusually robust health.
I take it at night so I don't get cinnamon-y/cod-liver-y burps, and I keep it at room temperature so it slides down the gullet more easily (with lots of water to mitigate taste and 'tingling' which I'd never noticed until the one night I tried it without water). It's a gnarly little blob if it's hard from the fridge.
If you do the math and you can handle it, the gel (blend) is about 4x cheaper than the capsules.
I've bought both the pills and the whole liquids of Skate Liver, Cod Liver, and Butter oils. My reaction to the fish oils was always the same. A crazy sense of "urgent" fatigue and the need to lay down fairly quickly. It felt the same way as if you have a fever, but without the temperature.... One time I even had a dream that I couldn't get up! It often subsides after a few hours with lingering effects for a good 24 hours.
I thought this couldn't be right.... So I checked it again on another day. Same reaction. I then ditched the oil and tried the pills months later....milder reaction but bad heartburn and burps. (I digest fat just fine)...
So I thought I might try other fish oils to see if this still happened. It did not. Your standard fare supermarket cod liver oils or even the higher end specialty brands didn't affect me in the same way at all.
For me at least, I find that the manufactured industrial food product known as FCLO has too many side effects, isn't confirmed safe (oxidation concerns), and is way too expensive to justify eating it. Especially when 2 or 3 pounds of fresh wild caught Alaskan Salmon gives you many more benefits (protein, minerals, antioxidants) for a lot less money..
As far as the HVBO oil goes...No clue. Felt the same taking it as I did not taking it. (teaspoon per day)
I recently read that states or areas which have large amounts of granite tend to produce food items that are much lower in iodine than other areas. Iodine also gets depleted quickly( iodized table salt loses it's iodine after being exposed to air for a few weeks) Modern farming in poor soils almost ensures that iodine is a difficult nutrient to receive adequate levels of. That being said, I believe that we need several things in our diet which we don't normally think to consume: 1.)vitamin k2 from butter oil, or grass-fed meat, or cheese, or ghee.) It's the fats and the k2 that we need. I personally think HVBO is a waste of money. I like to get my healthy fats from grass- fed meat anyway, because I don't believe we're meant to eat dairy. 2.)Organ meats. I supplement for these using Standard Process products. I just can't eat them. 3.) Fish and sea vegetables. The main players here are omega 3s and iodine. The Japanese are among the healthiest people in the world ( those who stick to traditional diets) and they consume nearly 15 times the amount of iodine as typical Americans do. Iodine has a tremendous impact on our hormones, and hormones control a big part of our immune system. Japanese women rarely have breast or other cancers, and they have no problems with weight despite eating copious amounts of white rice (eek!) As for omega 3s- we need lots of them, and we need less omega 6s, and the ratio in America is strongly backwards and dangerous. Long story short: omega 3 (nuts, seeds, some veggies and fish): anti- inflammatory. Omega 6 (grain, grain-fed meats, grain-fed dairy, grain-based syrups, food additives, etc) : inflammatory. 4.) Vegetables. Raw ones, cooked ones, green ones, red ones, vegetables on top of vegetables, vegetables mixed with vegetables. You get the idea. Weston Price may say that PH doesn't matter, (veggies promote alkalinity) but boy does it. I won't get into it all, but check out the Alkalize for health website. Very eye opening. Keep in mind that Weston Price did not truly know the health or longevity of the people he studied- just their appearance of health. His work is truly spectacular, but should be taken with a grain of salt. With all of that being said- no FCLO or HVBO is going to miraculously cure anyone of any ailment unless the ailment is caused by a nutritional deficiency that is corrected by those products. I believe we need all four of the things I listed above(and more I'm sure)- and that FCLO and Grass-fed fats are part of that. BUT, a truly Paleo diet should not focus on elimination nearly as much as it does full inclusion. Find out all of the nutrients your body needs and get them all into your diet. Even people with good diets are usually lacking something. FCLO- vitamins A&D and omega 3. Organ meats-B vitamins. Fruits and veggies: nearly every other vitamin and mineral ( if the soil is good) Grass-fed meats: Iron, vitamin k2. True "paleo soil" would have provided us with excellent sources of magnesium, calcium, and iodine. Modern soil doesn't. Do your research, consider supplementing. Look into Standard Process products. You will have vibrant health when you finish putting all of the pieces of your nutrient puzzle together. Also research iodine, bromine, chlorine, and fluorine. You won't like what you read. I mention this again, because I believe iodine is what 90 percent of Americans are missing- even the health conscious ones. Also google iodine deficiency patch test. You can test for a deficiency on your own. To your good health!
I just placed an order for Green Pastures Coconut Ghee and Butter Oil/FCLO blend about 30 seconds ago. I have been going back and forth on the products for a while, but finally decided to give them a go. Curious about the answers people will give now.
I have had great results from cod liver oil, i take nordic naturals. it is lower in vitamins but i'm not too worried about it and my kids like the taste. when i don't take it for a while i get keratosis pilaris and acne, both of which i've had most of my life. i haven't taken the plunge to fermented yet.
Hi, in 2007 we had to make changes to our diet. At the time I believe my husband was the THE "picture" of health! at 36 he was robust, fit, lean, sunny disposition etc, amazing endurance. Plays hoop once a week outside, is very active, skis, hunts, fish. you get the picture. Me, also in good health, not as aerobic as DH, but always taking long walks and being active, hunt, fish, ski, hike the dog.
Then in 2007 I realized our "good health" was not based in fact! I read Weston Price book and discovered that if we were getting sick we were not robust!! That year My husband had to go on antibiotics twice and was sick 3 times. I got sick 3 times and had to take cipro antibiotics that same year. Prior to that we would get sick AT LEAST once a year and need antibiotics every few years.
So in 2007 we switched to a WAPF type diet (hi fat, fermented dairy and veggies, grass fed dairy meat and eats, no more processed foods) and began FCLO and HVBO together. BUT ALSO at the same time, we started eating an equivalant of 4 ounce of raw freeze dried mixed organ meats in the form of capsules from Dr.Ron's ultrapure here http://www.drrons.com/organ-delight-traditional-superfood.htm (Organ Delight) Since I seem bot inapable at this point in our diet evolution to consume 4-6 ounces of a wide variety of organ meat every week, So I supplement with The Organ Delight so we do it this way based on the philosohoy that that "Like supports like".
NEITHER OF US HAS BEEN SICK OR HAD ALLERGIES SINCE 2007! We live in a harsh cold climate where EVERYONE seems to be sick ALL THE TIME!! NOT US!!! We no longer believe the myth that it is normal to get sick once a year - LIES LIES LIES!!! Getting sick is NOT NORMAL!!
Last year I started taking 5mg of iodine/iodide comlex also from Dr Ron for thyroid support. If VIBRANT health at 47 - perfect hair, teeth and skin, no premenapausal symptoms, full of energy and enthusisiam despite the bleak outlook for the world??! well, that says it all!!! Oh, and DH at 39 can outrun, out play, and out manuveure the kids 1/2 his age on the basketball court.
We started a chapter of WAPF in our community so we can help others find their way back to the vibrant health of our ancestors!
Ive been using both for about a month or so (grass fed butter oil and biting open cod liver oil capsules). while I did notice butter oil is pretty good for speeding up cold sore recovery -like a week for a bottom lip with 3 cold sores. As for healing teeth, I started taking both to hopefully heal a cavity. I can sleep now cos tooth aches aren't that bad but Im not sure how much of that was the butter oil, the same tooth is still really sensitive to cold temperatures... If anyone has any tips for me, would love to hear them. cheers not really into dentists a whole lot. amalgam pushing silly people