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I know there are other threads on here asking if coffee is paleo, what to add to make it paleo, etc (cream vs. coconut) but what I want to know is why so many people still drink it for breakfast with their omelets or break their IF this way, or use it to support their day while fasting. Why the stimulant?

Is it because you just like it or need it to start your morning? Are you dead in the water without your coffee?

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Like but no one needs it. – The Quilt Mar 12 2011 at 23:18
I meant in the "I'm just not awake until I have it" kind of need category. But you're touching on the reality I think. – Lindsay Mar 13 2011 at 0:02
+1 for restricting the options to these two :) – Grocket Aug 4 2011 at 17:33
too hot these days for coffee! – Babsgab Aug 4 2011 at 18:07
I have never done well with caffeine, although small amounts of green or black tea in social gatherings is okay. I've tasted coffee but only drank once. I don't care for the side effects on me. – Lady_Arwen Nov 9 2011 at 0:10
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I've gotta say it again- I think it's worth trying to cut out caffeine for at least a week- I just did for a few days- just slipped yesterday with some green tea. But I've also done it before and my sleep quality seemed to improve noticeably, and I had much more even energy throughout the day. If you are even a little short of really good sleep or ever have uneven energy, I think it's worth trying.

I know this is a sensitive subject for some folks- but there is probably a very thin, and, um, blurry line between REALLY liking something and being, in some sense, addicted to it. I don't think addiction is bad per se (though I certainly get a kick out of the sense of self-control I feel when altering some habit), but, as this Paul Graham essay suggests, something being addictive suggests that we are not adapted to consuming it, and, while this in itself doesn't mean we shouldn't consume it, it ought to give us some pause. (Sorry for the convoluted sentences-that's just how it's coming out!)

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No worries, I think you're making some good points and actually touching on what I was wondering in secret. While it is good for us in certain applications, it seems like many more are using it as an energy crutch, which further makes me wonder: what isn't the diet providing? – Lindsay Mar 12 2011 at 23:59
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I think it's not so much that there's something lacking in the diet than that it creates it's own need; drinking coffee affects sleep quality, and probably somehow messes with how people's energy is distributed throughout the day (I know this isn't a scientific way to say it). So people feel tired. Withdrawal is also part of it. – Nico Mar 14 2011 at 8:03
..ahem *ITS own need.... – Nico Mar 14 2011 at 8:03
I entirely agree, nothing has made such a difference to my health and well-being as cutting out caffeine (even down from about 20-25mg daily). That said I still take it occasionally (e.g. when I miss a night's proper sleep and need to function). I certainly find caffeine both highly addictive and very nice! – David Moss Mar 14 2011 at 10:50
Really depends on the green tea though. I really dig me some oolong – Oranges13 Mar 26 2011 at 23:15
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I love the way coffee tastes. The stimulant effect is nice, although I find that as caffeine intake goes I much prefer it in black or green tea...more gentle to the system IMO.

You know what I don't like about coffee, though? I hate how much one's breath REEKS after drinking it. That's another good reason to prefer tea.

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Not just your breath. I'll say no more than that. :/ – Dana Mar 12 2011 at 21:55
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If coffee makes your breath reek maybe you need to find some better quality coffee. – Matt Mar 12 2011 at 22:04
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No, I'm actually kind of a coffee snob. And it isn't just my breath; I notice it on the breaths of others who have been drinking coffee too. The quality of the coffee doesn't seem to matter much. – a hut full of spears Mar 12 2011 at 23:00
Hmm. Duly noted, Dana... – a hut full of spears Mar 12 2011 at 23:00
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yep, we actually called it "coffee breath" to put it on scale of bad breath... very high on it ;-) – Yoannah_offca Mar 13 2011 at 1:25
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I still drink coffee because I haven't detoxed off of caffeine. That's a health goal of mine because I'm pretty sure my cortisol is screwed up and my adrenals are probably ticked off at me (going by symptoms), I just haven't gotten there yet. If I get a caffeine withdrawal headache I have a pretty good chance of it cascading into a cluster headache or migraine. The former runs in my dad's family and the latter runs in my mom's so I was doubly screwed. I'm HOPING that enough positive dietary/nutritional changes in my life will do away with most of the headache symptoms, and I've been having good luck so far--when I do get the headaches they are a lot less severe. So we'll see.

The other reason I drink coffee is I used it to break a soda habit, both full-sugar and diet. I will still sometimes drink Splenda-sweetened diet soda or Zevia, but I don't need to drink them, and I used to, psychologically speaking. I decided coffee was better for me nutritionally than either kind of soda. It actually contains some minerals, I was surprised to learn. Probably why researchers can't make up their minds whether it will cure you or kill you.

Tea's OK, but I never seem to make it right. My green tea is especially abysmal. The good-quality stuff also looks like it is more expensive per cup than even organic coffee, although I need to sit down and do the math to figure that out for sure. I also need to drink less coffee to get a decent caffeine shot for the day, and making it is pretty much a no-brainer. My favorite method is cold-brewing, although I never seem to plan far enough ahead to replenish the toddy before I run out of it.

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correct.....this is why I get all my patients off it. And teach them how to steep their tea to get rid of all that caffeine as well. – The Quilt Mar 12 2011 at 23:20
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I think because of how paleo itself has evolved. A lot of paleo items have a shared source with the pro-caffeine side of things.

e.g. this guy http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/caffeine.shtml (Not an endorsement of the above site being correct, but it shows how anti-PUFA, pro-caffeine, pro-coconut oil, pro-full fat dairy all have a common nexus)

So even where caffeine is not promoted for health, the people involved have perhaps been exposed to the idea that drinking coffee is healthy (and there is some research that it is if your not disrupting sleep).

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I consider caffeine a drug that I can no longer tolerate. I wish I could! I love coffee and I was addicted to it for many years, but at this point drinking even a little bit gives me serious vertigo and tinnitus. Yep, caffeine can trigger Meniere's disease.

I also learned from 23andme that I'm likely to be a "slow metabolizer" of caffeine, which I guess makes it bad for me (heart attack risk), as opposed to "fast metablolizers" for which caffeine can be good (heart protective).

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I'm a slow metabolizer as well (23andme), so I got off the caffeine. I'm glad I did. Even if I add it back, I plan to limit myself to a single AM mug of coffee, and cut that out every once in a while to make sure I'm not messing with my sleep and energy. – stoic Mar 28 2011 at 0:46
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Absolutely LOVE it. But I usually give it up on my own once it gets hot and switch over to quarts of plain iced tea. Coffee just seems too heavy in the summer. Come fall it's back.

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I love the taste, the aroma, especially the first sip in the morning. Now I drink it black (I am doing Whole30), and like it too, but with heavy cream it was heaven...

I also need it. I have a VERY low blood pressure and coffee helps me overcome lethargy. If I cut on coffee (or for whatever reason can't drink the one strong in the morning), I have a pounding headache within couple hours. Now I've been drinking more coffee simply because of the temperatures. In the summer I drink more water and only one-two cups in the morning. I also started to drink decaf, to limit caffeine, especially after the noon. I don't know how unhealthy decaf is, but I hope not too much, as I won't cut on the delicious taste and relaxation that comes with slow sipping

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Lindsay this is an interesting question. I have coffee every morning because I really like it and I believe that whatever harm would it make to me would be insignificant in the long run. I have not seen any relevant study showing that one or two cups of coffee a day, without sugar, will be detrimental for my health. I would be ready to leave it if you could convince me otherwise. BTW I do not have coffee in the evening hours because I could end up with insomnia.

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I don't necessarily think coffee in itself is "a bad thing" but I wonder if you'd notice a difference on the mornings you don't have it. Is that the only way to know? Being relatively new to paleo myself, I get disenchanted when I see a lot of people requiring a stimulant to get going in the morning. Every morning. Why isn't the food providing that energy? And that's where the question was coming from. The research that's most commonly found does say that coffee is dehydrating and can be hard on the adrenal system. Like you said tho, I don't think 1-2 cups is "bad". – Lindsay Mar 14 2011 at 2:09
And if it's a comfort thing: "I like it" - that's one thing. But as Nico said, maybe there's a thin line somewhere in there. – Lindsay Mar 14 2011 at 2:10
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I do not like the taste of coffee, nor do I need it to get going in the morning. It tears up my stomach and messes with my digestion, and dehydrates and bloats me as well.

However, without my morning green tea, I'm useless. I recently pondered giving up my morning tea and trading it in for an hour's worth of sleep, but I realized that I actually enjoy the whole ritual of preparing my tea and sipping it for an hour while the house is quiet. Plus, it does wonders for my digestion and does not bloat me, so yeah. To each their own, just don't try to take my tea from me lest you suffer the full brunt of my morning wrath. :)

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Mmmmmmmmmmmmm coffee.

I love the way coffee tastes, especially now that I drink it with heavy whipping cream instead of skim milk and Splenda!! I need the caffeine, for sure. If I don't have my coffee, I know it, but I don't really overdo it either. I have one large cup that I start at 6am and usually drink until 11am. I have an awesome mug from Starbucks that keeps coffee hot FOREVER. Sometimes, I don't even finish that coffee and pour it out to make room for my afternoon coffee. In the afternoon I refill the same mug, but rarely finish it.

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I just love the taste; it doesn't seem to help me be more alert/perform better at work, and if I have more than 2 cups of regular, I feel really jittery and awful (and it took me awhile to reach THAT tolerance!) I've been having it with cinnamon, heavy cream & a truvia, or just some coconut cream. I used to love those fakey flavored creamers, but now when I have them, they just don't float my boat; probably because of the lack of fat!

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I love coffee and tea and always have. Love the taste, love hot beverages generally. I used to drink absolutely MASSIVE amounts of caffeine... felt fine doing it, never 'jittery' ever. I've given up caffeine before but don't notice any differences so figure I might as well continue drinking drinks I like.

I do have ADD-PI so stimulants don't generally give me any 'stimulation' or energy changes, but they do seem to help me focus.

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yes, I've heard about the reverse affects of such stimulants on ADD-PI and others. – Lindsay Mar 13 2011 at 1:29
would you consider drinking decaf? – Wozza Mar 13 2011 at 3:59
Seems pointless Wozza! I usually drink caffeine at work, and I do feel it helps me be a little less distractable. I don't drink excessive amounts any more. – animalcule Mar 16 2011 at 18:40
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Gets my butt moving everyday. My breakfast is 1/2 coffee 1/2 cream

If Im pulling all nighters then i just go with black tea as you arent loading yourself up so much and subsequently the "crash" is mild.

I tried going off caf and i get the usual headaches for 2 days then just get lethargic.

Although i have hashimotos and am on the thyroid pill so the coffee might be some way of crudely balancing me out.

French Press ftw

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I love my coffee but regulate the caffeine I get by drinking only decaf on non-training days, on training days I usually have a strong cup with cream but otherwise fasted in the morning then decaf for the rest of the day. When breaking the caffeine merry-go-round I experienced a few days of quite bad headaches but now the occasional cup of regular every other day doesn't cause any addiction problems. I eliminated coffee completely for a month to see if it was causing my sleep problems but nothing changed and reintroduction had no noticeable effect either. I make sure I only drink decaf coffee that has been decaffeinated by the water soluble method with no chemicals used.

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During my pre paleo days I once gave up caffeine (in my case largely from two mugs of coffee in the morning), alcohol, imitrex, and all over the counter analgesics for four months. I did this to see if it would help my chronic headaches and migraines. At the end of four months, I can honestly say that I felt...worse! Went back to my morning coffee. It not only alleviates headaches, it is a definite mood booster. Both drug like actions I know, but for me it is not addictive in the sense that I never have a desire to exceed two mugs, and sometimes I have less.

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what else have you tried to help support the migraine issue? – Lindsay Mar 15 2011 at 2:37
Lindsey, its a long laundry list including magnesium and riboflavin, butterbur, Forever Well, CoQ10, SamE, fish oil, natural progesterone, meditation, and acupuncture. Also worked my way through 6 different pharmaceutical prophylactics. The only thing that ever made a dent in my headaches, was going low carb (whether that was the carbs or the elimination of wheat, I'm not sure). Recently I have been implementing the suggestions in the Perfect Health Diet, ie nutritional supplements, ketogenic diet with coconut oil, and IF. Preliminary results are encouraging. – Kate Mar 15 2011 at 12:55
good! with a list like that, anything encouraging is exciting! – Lindsay Mar 26 2011 at 22:14
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yeah.... No one is taking my coffee away. I'm addicted? probably not. I can go days without it and not miss it but then sometimes I just like that dark roast flavor. the true test is if you like it black... I actually put cinnamon in mine and then the second one some 35% full fat cream, sort of a lunch desert. It works for me and I find it helps me maintain the IF (intermittent fasting) through the morning easily... I personally find green tea no matter how I try to infuse it tastes like leafs in hot water (yes I know.) just not coffee.

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I love coffee, to the point where I roast my own beans and have $2K sunk into a high quality lever espresso maker at home. Before Paleo, I'd have my espresso in the morning, and then I'd drink the crappy coffee at work all day long, too, with 3 tsp of sugar in each one.

When I went Paleo, I quit cold turkey, and my blood pressure dropped from ~145/95, where it had been for years to ~120/75. Then I fell off the wagon, and started drinking black coffee and straight espresso again. My blood pressure came back up to the 130/85 range, depending on how much coffee I was drinking. So some of the hypertension was sugar induced, but not all of it.

I now drink a double espresso every other day, before I work out. My blood pressure is back to usually being anywhere from 115/70 to 120/75.

When I'm not drinking much coffee, I feel much calmer during the day. I don't have issues waking up in the morning without it, and I definitely sleep a little better.

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I have given up caffeine and seen improvement in several areas of health, including sleep, restless leg, and blood pressure.

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I drank copious amounts of coffee, and I gave it up when I went Paleo. I just didn't like the idea of being addicted to it - which I always get if I drink it. I've replaced it with copious amounts of tea, which has much less caffeine, but mostly green. I drink perhaps 1 cup of black per day.

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considering that for plants themselves caffeine is a natural pesticide - in the context of fasting (i.e. drinking coffee at least 12 hours after a meal and at least 6 hours before a meal) my personal tactic is to use black coffee as a "pesticide" to eliminate gut bacteria - 'waste' is 'purged', and waist circumference gets visibly slenderer

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you get slenderer because it acts as a diuretic and dehydrates the body....and you want to increase and balance gut bacteria, not eliminate it... – Lindsay Mar 27 2011 at 11:54
dehydration after coffee consumption may or may not happen, but as for bacteria: no thank you, i've been living with an ibs like symptoms for all my life, and i can clearly say that the less bacteria i have the better – gn Mar 27 2011 at 21:58
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gut_flora – Olivia Aug 4 2011 at 17:33

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