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...and did you feel any different than when you were less strict? These are the three horses of the SAD apocolypse, hence singling them out.

I haven't gone more than a week or so uber-strict, because of the odd dark chocolate, Chipotle oiled-up-meat, conventional salad dressing, or all out "cheat". Might be time to go for the gold. There's something to be said for discipline. I don't know what it is exactly, but there's something.

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4.7 yrs.......so far – The Quilt Mar 19 2011 at 3:07
Including coconut oil? – Ambimorph Mar 19 2011 at 3:08
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Coconut oil and macadamia nut oil are a-okay – Kamal Mar 19 2011 at 3:19
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Jesus Dr. K, that's impressive. I imagine that you lost your sweet tooth or never had one, or that you're just one gritty mofo. – Kamal Mar 19 2011 at 3:20
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I lost my carbs cravings after 8 weeks. And it was backed up by my reverse T3 level.....which fell to undetectable. That told me I was now centrally leptin sensitive. Since then it has been on like Donkey Kong. I am just trying to share the message and change my profession – The Quilt Mar 19 2011 at 20:15

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I had to laugh at this post. Chocolate, Chipotle, and all out cheats = my triangle of doom as well.

I can probably go two weeks. The house is clean and tight except for a box of flaked quinoa (which I have no problem with but I know the thought of ingesting such a poison makes some paleos stroke out.) I happen to live in a land of foodies and am one and when I go out to a fabulous restaurant I eat what I like whether gluten, sugar and anything else the chef wants to throw into my pot of death. Food equals happiness to me and I fought that long enough to now know it's not a fight worth fighting to me. I don't aspire to 100% compliance. I wouldn't be happy and I really doubt I'd be that much healthier. I'm 90/10 and that suits me just fine. Good enough is good enough for me.

I very much admire people who are 100% compliant and live this like religion. I agree that there is something to be said for discipline...just as there is something to be said for mastering the art of compromise.

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Here here to food = happiness! Sometimes strictness is a boon for addressing health concerns, but there is nothing better than a nice, no-limits meal. Except sex. – Kamal Mar 19 2011 at 3:22
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100% cacoa is not cheating.....infact its totally paleo. – The Quilt Mar 19 2011 at 20:16
From what I understand, 100% Cocoa is PB not Paleo and even then as an occasional indulgence. – Denis Apr 23 2012 at 11:25
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If I do Kamal's cheats first:

dark chocolate - Never was much of a chocolate lover. I don't think I ate a pound (454 grams) in my whole life.

Chipotle oiled-up-meat - ? and then Wiki saved. Never had that.

Conventional salad dressing - Salad is fo' suckerz :D I avoid pretty much all "pre-packed"/unknown ingredients foods so...

all out "cheat" - I actually can't remember a single thing that I like better than a sip of cold heavy cream so I "cheat" with that ;)

As for riders of the storm

Vegetable oil - In the last year I ate about two spoons of steak tartare (I do some tasting/testing for a family member who makes them) which was left in vegetable oil for a few days. If a stake is soaked in vegetable oil, it's a no go for me.

Gluten - February 2009- Donuts self-filled with Nuttella (chocolate cream). I though I was going to die. Literally. 6 months without beer.

Added sugar - When I got sick last month I "cheated" with honey so I would say 6 months or so. Again honey is also one of the foods I never loved so no sweet tooth here.

That being said, I don't eat out so if I'm joining my friends, I fast.

I presume all comes down to "Why do you "cheat" (potential question if we hadn't had it before ?) and how do you reach health wise to the horsemen. Other factors also might be social/peer pressure, general availability of "cheats" and emotional attachment to them.

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Donuts self-filled with Nutella! I'd like to be more like you, but my sweet tooth is slow to regress. – Kamal Mar 19 2011 at 16:26
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No grains or veg oils for three years, and comfortable saying I'll never knowingly eat them again. Plant-free for one of those years, aside from a little garlic and onion with liver a couple times a month. Since then I gradually reintroduced some fruit and non-starchy veg, with random occasional paleo starches mostly timed around workouts. Things like low-sugar homemade cheesecake (1 tablespoon of honey in the whole thing, plus berries) I save for special events once or twice a year.

Dairy consumption fluctuated quite a bit throughout all this, but now I mostly stick to lots of pastured butter and a little raw goat milk. I don't totally avoid pasteurized things like plain unadulterated full-fat yogurt or sour cream, but they're infrequent and in much smaller amounts than before.

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I bet I have only gone 24+ hours when I've fasted. ;)

I am not a super strict Paleo. I would guess though, that it's not even 2% of what I eat every day that's affected. I may lick the spoon when I'm cooking or take a sip of my daughter's chocolate milk. I have 90% dark chocolate most nights.

I have seen major improvements with the changes that I have made in my diet. I am very happy where I'm at and don't want to get TOO obsessive. Some would say I'm already there, but I know in comparison to many in the Paleosphere I am not.

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You're not already there :) – Kamal Mar 19 2011 at 3:01
"Here" is always a good place to be. ;) – Ambimorph Mar 19 2011 at 14:12
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My husband an I did 30 days. We cooked all our own meals that month so we knew exactly what was going into our bodies. I HIGHLY recommend it. It takes planning, packing your lunch, and turning down SOME social events (I knew happy hour with friends would leave me helpless). We felt amazing and looked good too. :) my husband actually prefers eating that way but I'm more of a social butterfly, but as you know when going out food is always questionable...

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I did the Whole30 successfully last year. That's 30 days of "no cheating".

I don't use veg oils except olive oil which is ok.

No Grains, legumes during the last 2 years. Don't miss them.

Sometimes I take a tiny amount (a quarter of a teaspoon) of white sugar (sucrose) in my espresso. My "cheat stuff" is espresso, alcohol and dark chocolate (actually drugs, not food).

It is not discipline but simple knowledge about food quality and agriculture practices. Why should I stuff myself with nutrition poor low quality junk? If I have cravings (cortisol, lack of sleep etc) and tend to overeat at least I should treat myself respectful and do it with high quality real food.

For me it's about self respect and respect for nature. It's about supporting good farming practices instead of Food Inc. It's not about asceticism or health fanatism. I am too hedonistic for this.

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do you eat rice? – DudleyP Mar 19 2011 at 14:05
I don't like rice. Has no satisfaction feeling for me. In tried rice waffles but they are too high in calories (very carb dense). If I really need more carbs than I get with beets and carrots I use sweet potato or banana. – Andrea Mar 19 2011 at 15:33
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No grains and no veg oils, 2 years.

Sugar I get naturally in foods and the rare 90% dark chocolate or Cabernet . Less than 20g a day tho, usually only trace amounts in vegetable garnish.

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Is the sugar in wine "added"? I've had 3 or 4 of those, too. – Ambimorph Mar 19 2011 at 13:57
poor reading comprehension on my part.. I suppose my wine and veggies are not guilty of being added. Its so ingrained in me that Sugar is Sugar added or not. – Stephen-Aegis Mar 19 2011 at 14:10
That's so on-the-ball, I'd lump the rare 90% dark chocolate into "no added sugar" too! – Kamal Mar 19 2011 at 16:21
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I'm anal about insisting on what they cook with. When I do eat out anymore, it's sushi... So yeah. Possible cross contamination I suppose, or they could lie to me. But I ask and insist ad I have walked out before. – Stephen-Aegis Mar 20 2011 at 2:07
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You can avoid grains in restaurants easily. Don't order the pizza or pasta. :-) I ask whether they use veg oils or butter, coconut oil etc. – Andrea Mar 20 2011 at 8:28
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at least 18 consecutive months on end.

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not as strict anymore though. – foreveryoung Apr 23 2012 at 2:39
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5 or more years without gluten or sugar

at least that long without veggie oils, maybe longer? and maybe about 3 years without olive oil, flax oil, or nut butters

i wouldnt go back

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The longer you go, the easier it is. I would say the tipping point for me is about 2 months. After that, the only cheats are convenience based. I broke a 6 month no cheat run when home at my inlaws for christmas. I seriously considered fasting for 2 weeks, but I got hungry... kind of hard in a house where "veggies" are corn, lima beans, and black eyed peas...

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from september 2010 till now

however when i walk past the fresh bread counter and get a whiff, I still feel like a recovering junkie

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15 days at a stretch, several times, before one of these 3 enter my food chain in ways I cannot avoid. The result is slight discomfort at the most but plenty of guilt..

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2 or 3 days i guess. Its hard for me. Of course it wouldn't be as hard if i were more consistent- Less cravings? I went too low carb for my body and couldn't figure out what was wrong for a good year. Still trying to figure out what works for me. I'm realizing that having real social support (not just internet, but friends/family) would really help. I think i'm the only person in northern Idaho that tries to do a paleoish diet. Time for north Idaho question!

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hey im in northern idaho, well not so north anymore, but spent all last year on a farm up near moyie springs.....paleo heaven with all the wild life running around those parts:)! – jessica Mar 7 at 0:11
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I don't compromise myself in social situations to make a point about diet. So the interval is 2 weeks at most between times where I consider my eating ideal. That said, I eat grain everyday and not paleo ./shrug.

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Heh. I don't compromise myself in social situations to avoid looking weird. I take care of number 1. But, you know, I suffer quite dramatically when I stray. I might be more lax otherwise. – Ambimorph Mar 19 2011 at 14:11
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Sugar is my problem :) I use ketchup (with sugar, no HFCS) sometimes, eat dark chocolate ... I guess there are 3-4 days in a row where I would be "clean", but I dont' obsess much over tiny amount of sugar here and there.

But grain and oils is no problem for me, I've been "clean" for months (I had a bit of popcorn some months ago).

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No grains, no vegetable oils. I don't eat out very much either so that helps. the longest I've been super strict is the longest I've been without dark chocolate... maybe a few weeks?

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Over the last 17 months, I've had a vegetable oil containing protein shake a couple of times, and a bar of dark chocolate once. I also had some pecans one time, and, perhaps the worst, some canola oil mayo. I don't know exactly how long the longest time between these was, but I imagine it was several months.

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I was mis-diagnoes with gluten sensitivity and went gluten-free for a year. No improvement in any symptoms (acne, energy levels).

BTW, make sure you're actually gluten-sensitive. There is only one gold standard for that biopsy. Saliva or other sorts of tests are used by "alternative medicine" clinics and aren't medically reliable.

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