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Hi,

I've recently tried PaNu and I think I will like this form of diet. However, what are your thoughts on having one cheat day per week? I'm in Asia and most if not all, eat rice as a staple.

My cheat day would involve moderate amounts of alcohol and rice/wheat based food if I need to like attending a party or hanging out with friends. I will still stay away from other high sugar drinks and just consume moderate amounts of wheat/rice based meals.

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I'm ok with it but irony parTicipatE in it's practIce – The Quilt Mar 25 2011 at 10:53
Rice may not from the Paleolithic era but it's not a cheat depending on goals. It's a nice, non-toxic food. I eat it a couple times week. The use of carbohydrates is goal specific so just govern rice consumption under that umbrella. – No more. Mar 25 2011 at 15:49
A little white rice and red wine is not that bad for you. Maybe avoid if you need to lose weight/trying to lean out. Try to stay off the wheat. Wheat is mondo bad and PaNu will tell you why. (Or Cordain/Sisson/Peter at HyperLipid/Dr Davis/Stephen at WholeHealthSource... well, you get the idea. Peter says its toxic (causes endothelial damage) at nanomolar concentrations. Stick with the white rice - relatively non-toxic.) – Dave S. Mar 25 2011 at 17:38

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This cheat meal... Who are you cheating with it? See? So what you really want here is that someone tells you... Sure, go ahead, i do the same? So, you're weakness will be perfectly justified by someone else weakness...

My point is you are not cheating anyone but yourself, on purpose. How smart is that?

Tell you want.... Tonight i'm gonna steal my car... I'll play a prank on myself, so tomorrow, when i'm gonna walk in the lot, i wont see it and will freak out. Ooooo this will be so much fun....

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This made me LOL - thank you – HeatherC Mar 25 2011 at 11:03
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Funny but also completely true. We shouldn't be looking for justification to 'cheat' - it's an unhealthy way to look at food. – Jason Mar 25 2011 at 11:25
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I don't think it makes a lot of sense to do it "once a week". If you feel the need to follow one specific protocol someone else has set up -no matter if it is called PaNu oder Paleo or EatWhatMakesYouHappy- then DO it. If you want to eat somehting else then do that.

Personally I don't know why anybody else should have the right to call me a cheater based upon what I decide to eat.

And I think that's what this community is about: Getting and sharing information and drawing YOUR OWN conclusions based upon what you know (or think you know). It does not matter what I think about your cheat day. If you want to eat that rice-laden oh-so-delicious Tekka Nigiri then go for it! You know what it does to you, to your taste buds, your well-being, your eyes, your nose and your gut.

You have the privilege, the right and the obligation to decide for yourself.

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I agree: it's about knowing the truth about foods (or anything) and being able to make an educated decision, no matter what that decision might be. – Ali Mar 25 2011 at 13:15
Great answer Felix! you get my vote. I hate the phrase "Cheat Meal". when i "Cheat" who am i cheating? – Daninidaho Mar 25 2011 at 15:53
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It depends on the cheat. Rice, no issues. Cheating that often with wheat makes gluten elimination irrelevant. My understanding is that gluten can affect the system for about 2 weeks after consumption. So cheating that often means your body is constantly challenged by gluten. The amounts will be much smaller than in a normal diet, but your body never really gets to heal in a gluten-free manner.

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Rice is "ok" then as long as not consumed on a regular basis? w00t - that means I can still do Thai Payday lunches with my co-workers :) – Oranges13 Mar 25 2011 at 13:19
Oranges, be careful about everything else in the Thai food. The oils/sauces used at restaurants can be really bad. – sherpamelissa Mar 25 2011 at 14:10
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The phrasing of this question suggests that one might "plan" to cheat. I can't get my head wrapped around this. If one's diet is hard to stick to, laborious, or otherwise unsatisfying, then one needs to change the diet. Planned cheating is like planned adultery. It just seems worse than accidental adultery.

Shouldn't a balanced diet leave one satisfied? If it doesn't, this is almost a working definition of "fad diet."

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Absolutely. I do not feel at all deprived eating paleo, and one shouldn'y plan a "cheat" if I happen to be somewhere and ice-cream is on offer I'll go for it but I think focussing too much on a food item creates bad thinking patterns. – Carly Mar 25 2011 at 16:29
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I am planning to eat cake on my 40th birthday. ;) But I absolutely agree with your sentiment. When I find myself ~planning~ to eat bad, I start to look at what is going on in my life and I usually find a stressor that is making me want carbs. – sherpamelissa Mar 25 2011 at 17:47
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Cheat Day ? No way I'd do it ...and I live in Australia where most , if not all eat CRAP as a staple ..and I aint gonna eat that crap as well .....you will only cheat yourself !

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Personally, I don't consider eating Neolithic foods 'cheating'. I basically follow Panu.

I'm pretty sensitive to what I eat especially my digestion, but don't get health consequences when I consume small/moderate amounts of many 'off plan' foods, and I highly doubt I'm unhealthier from eating them. I can't have small amounts of wheat and feel fine, so I don't. White rice, I eat all the time - it's totally harmless starch for me. If I eat too much total starch, I'm not going to feel well cause my blood sugar will crash, so I don't.

Now, a 'cheat day' involving binging on everything you usually don't have - I'm sure you'd feel like crap, and it would be very bad for you. But a few beers and a bite to eat here and there are probably not going to hurt you at all. If I were you of course I'd eat rice products but avoid wheat more stringently, even if you don't get symptoms from consuming it. A lot of the most prominent Paleo/health bloggers would agree - wheat is the worst grain even if you don't have celiac or gluten sensitivity.

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I don't think you should plan a "cheat" at all. If you happen to be somewhere like a social gathering and there is something there that is not paleo then go for it, in my opinion you should stay away from gluten however. I think focussing to much on a "cheat" creates unhealthy thought patterns towards food, I mean it's not as if we're deprived of gorgeous foods eating paleo, we're just not bombarding our systems with toxic foods everyday. Paleo foods are amazing and tasty.

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Well I cheat 1 or 2 meals a week. So far they are not hindering my progress but if they do I'll eliminate them.

Since going paleo, there are some items that I can't tolerate now. E.g. I was addicted to coca cola but now it gives ke headaches and I don't crave for it anymore.

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If you need to 'cheat', go for it! Cheating one day a week of means you're Paleo approx 85% of the time which is great. Cheat with caution however; monitor your body's responses to the food and drink you consume on your cheat day and it's advisable to lower the glycemic load of foods like white rice by consuming them with fresh veg. Ultimately, life's for living and your diet has to work for you personally. Enjoy it!

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Cheat days really messed me up. I tried one month of strict paleo 6 days a week with one cheat day and it was a miserable failure. That was 2 months ago and I am still trying to get over the MENTAL damage it did, mostly through the re-introduction of sugar into my diet. We all have different personalities, so think about yours and how you best handle things like what you plan to cheat with. I do better if I stay away from it as much as possible, so going to a cheat day really wasn't the right thing for me. It's better if I save sugar for my birthday or Christmas or something.I never, ever cheat with gluten-containing items. For ME, it's easy enough to not eat those things but that is partly because I love sugar WAY more than bread. Long story short, think long and hard about your food personality. And then monitor yourself very closely if you attempt a cheat day.

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I do not think that you should plan out your "cheat" meals. Things like that should happen organically or you can become dependant on them. If every saturday night you eat a pizza but the rest of the week you don't, you might spend your whole week dreaming about saturday night.

"Cheating" is fine but creates setbacks in your health. If you are okay with the setbacks or negative consequences (sugar crashes/gi issues) of cheating then don't worry about it.

Life is meant to be lived. Paleo is there to help us live better, but if it gets in the way it's up to you to decide. Use the research and make educated decisions.

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my cheat day is usually chicken wings and sweet potato fries, or Chinese/Japanese food. So, I'll consume some Generals chicken, or some kind of stir fried chicken. I haven't had pizza/pasta or anything of that sort in months. The breading on the chicken and the sauces are the cheat for me, and if I do cheat, it's 1 meal, once a week/every other week, and I don't typically feel like crap because of it.

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I eat chicken wings once a week. They are "naked" (no breading) and the sauce is fairly clean: hot sauce and butter. The only downside is they are cooked in a not-so-healthy oil. But they are oh-so-delicious! – Ali Mar 25 2011 at 13:27
Yea, the chicken wings I'd eat have no breading, it's the oils and sauces you'd have to worry about. Generals chicken though...breading galore, still, it doesn't seem to bother my system. – ryan Mar 25 2011 at 13:41
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I agree with some earlier comments that a "cheat day" might be setting yourself up for disaster. If you schedule a cheat, even when you don't want it you might eat it anyway b/c it's your cheat day. You might consider having a healthy meal before you go to the party so you are less tempted to eat the wheat-based food.

I allow myself a piece of dark chocolate or a few spoonfuls of ice cream after dinner, but I don't consider this cheating because I don't think there is anything wrong with dark chocolate or ice cream (the right type of ice cream) as long as only a small amount is consumed at one time. Things like this are best eaten after a satisfying and healthy meal, which usually eliminates my desire for something sweet anyway.

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I think having a cheat day per week will do 4.35 times as much damage as having a cheat day per month. If you want to make it better, drop all wheat products and stick to rice if you think you need empty carbs.

I save slack days for emergencies and when I am out on the road, needing to make do.

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It depends on the individual. Over the last year and a half i was around 80/20. This didn't work out so well. My "cheats" would be going completely off the paleo wagon! More like cheat weekends. I personally don't like the word "Cheat" meal. I wasn't cheating anyone or myself when i would eat a giant shrimp burrito washed down with a few delicious beers. I wasn't trying to fool myself. I wasn't trying to "get around the system" I was enjoying the moment well aware of my behavior and its impact on my health. HOWEVER... I have an addictive, impulsive, ADHD personality which can lead me to some destructive behavior. I am currently doing my own 60 day challenge. 2 weeks in and i feel great! I don't want to "cheat" and hopefully things will stay that way. So its something you will have to figure out for yourself. Good luck.

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The social situation you described can be difficult. IMO one of more challenging parts of this way of eating. Acting different then the majority of your friends takes some getting used too. If they question or nag you about your choices just remember its not about you. Its about them. But that's part of a whole different discussion. – Daninidaho Mar 25 2011 at 15:41
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It depends. I generally follow a low-carb paleo/primal diet (basically just meats, vegetables, and good fats) 6 days a weeks and 1 day a week I go all out with the higher carb stuff - as much fruit, potatoes as I want plus some dairy and honey - all of which I would not really consider strictly paleo/primal. Weirdly this has helped me lose weight. I would not really consider eating grains at any point since I think they can mess with you for longer than the course of 1 day. However, if you aren't sensitive to grains, I think rice would not be too much of a problem as it is a pretty inoffensive grain relative to say, wheat.

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I've never liked the word 'cheat'. In the real world there are times when you may have to eat foods that you wouldn't normally have. Rather than have a "cheat day", factor in no more than 3 or 4 meals/snacks a week, perhaps mostly at the weekend, which are...what's a good phrase, naughty but nice.

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