I'm running into some joint pain even after taking 2 weeks off from lifting. Mainly in my knuckles, elbows and shoulders. Most likey do to my desk job and being glued to a computer. Any of you take joint supplementation?
My husband has been giving our dog glucosamine for dogs because he has Wobblers Disease which affects large breed dogs, and eventually they are unable to get up (affects their joints and are unable to use their limbs). Therefore, being bedridden have to be put down. That was the path we were on. He could NOT get up finally. I was desperate. Those supplements did NOT work one single bit and he had taken them for about 2 months and still got worse.
I changed my dog to a "natural diet" which is raw meat, some bones (like chicken thigh/leg). He is a spring chicken now, and with miraculous almost over night results. He runs around like a happy old dog that he is at age 10.
I completely, agree, for us humans, the best thing for joint issues is bone broth. Homemade grass fed beef bones--cooked in a crock pot (browned in the oven first)-- makes beautiful gelatinous bone broth.
well I've heard mixed things about glucosamine, but I'm only 31 and I've had pain, inflammation, and arthritis in my knees for years (got so bad I had to have multiple surgeries just to be able to walk when I was 23), so I throw everything at it just to be on the safe side. Eating basically a PaNu/Perfect Health type diet (not low carb--- eating low carb caused extreme inflammation in my knee oddly enough) and taking some supplements in addition like glucosamine & chondroitin, krill or fish oil, and turmeric seems to have decreased the symptoms significantly. I bet if I got consistent about doing strength training (like McGuff's BBS program) I would have even better results.
Yes, I take/took joint supplements. Probably too many, in fact. The evidence behind glucosamine is mixed, and you shouldn't rely on the most recent meta-analysis to "prove" that glucosamine doesn't work. There were some intricacies in that study weren't addressed in the results.
Here are some of the supplements I've tried. I'll be going through the evidence for a few of them when I get around to putting up my paleo/pain website.
Popular supplements: glucosamine, chondroitin, MSM, gelatin, D-ribose, turmeric/piperin
Paleo supplements: bone broth, tendon, emu oil, fish oil, krill oil
Less popular supplements: grape seed extract, NAC, protease enzymes (bromelain etc)
I take G/C/MSM, seemed to help with knees, might be placebo effect. Lost weight and knees are no longer a problem. Still take it. Most of the studies I saw concluded that this supplement provided no improvement for osteoarthritis. That's a different conclusion than "it has no benefit whatsoever". I don't have osteoarthritis as far as I know.
Take gelatin, too. Knox had a product in a can at Wegmans, with vitamins and other stuff. MDA linked a study from Ball State or some other B University that indicated gelatin supported joint health in young athletes (who presumably don't have osteoarthritis, either). Wegmans dropped the Knox product, so I just buy the Knox gelatin packets and brew up a soup with seaweed and coconut oil. Why? Not really sure. Bet bones are better.
Occasionally, I'll do bad things to a whole chicken, gnaw the articular heads off all the long bones, eat everything. Got this from Lindsey Vonn who was trying to recover from an ankle injury. The fear in my wife's eyes is palpable at the dinner table (I've taken to eating with my hands as well - I mean, I start out with proper utensils, but they invariably seem to get in the way of the eating). If I don't post for a while, safe to assume she's seen to it that I'm "taking a rest" at a nice facility somewhere.
Does any of this work? I have no idea. Not cost prohibitive, and apparently not harmful.
I started with SierraSil JF14 for a sore knee. It seemed to work a bit, but the "expreiment" was confounded because I also stopped lifting and sprinting for a long while.
I then tried curcumin (the active ingredient in turmeric) and it too worked a bit.
Recently (2 weeks ago) I started taking Recovery extra strength from Purica (it is glucosamine and MSM and some other goodies) with very good results. My knee(s) feel better than they have in a long while even with regular weight workouts. I am cautiously optimistic that this stuff really does help.
Some time ago I read about some clinical studies that showed that glucosamine does not work on human joints.
I do not know about combining glucosamine with MSM - it might make a difference.
BTW, glucosamine does work on dog joints; so it is added to a lot of dog food. I know some folks who saw a HUGH difference in their dog's mobility after using such dog food.
I took glucosamine/chondroitin/msm for years. Sometimes it seemed to help and sometimes it didn't. I could never be sure, and my pain only got worse over the years. At times I was unable to walk or get out of bed.
Now, aside from a healthy diet (keeping my weight down helps a lot), I only use one treatment for joint pain: exercise. High-rep, full-range bodyweight exercise. Pushups, pullups, situps, bridges and squats, mostly. It won't bulk me up or win me any medals, but it keeps me moving and smiling, and that's good enough for me.
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