Hej Paleo folks. Are there paleo people coming from a raw vegan background? Do you have raw vegan friends? What do you think on raw vegan lifestly and diet? For whom is Paleo, for whom is raw food?
Did you learn something from a raw vegan Diet? Why did you stop doing Raw Vegan diet, if you did? What thing you like or liked at a raw vegan diet? What are raw vegan myth, which are busted for you?
Does have paleo diet a different effect on your daily life and workout? Running faster, feeling heavier or lighter? Different kind of muscles? Different feeling when waking up? Or something else. Different skin, different body odor.
What kind of raw vegan diet did you go for? More greens, more fruits, fruitarian, raw vegan superfoods, David wolfe style, longvity style, sweet raw vegan ktchen, green smoothies, fruit and vegetable juices, wild edible plants, algae/ chorella, spirulina afa,....
Seems like a combination of the two could be a good diet; we ought not to be so dogmatic about these things.
I was a raw vegan for about a year. It was actually great. Lost weight, felt great, skin never looked so good. I just ate as much fruit, veggies, nuts and seeds, all raw as I wanted. I ended up stopping because I lost a lot of muscle and it was very hard to socialize. When you are strict raw vegan, it's tough to go out to eat. I think a lot of people get overly involved in "creating" raw dishes, much like people do on paleo with the paleo cookies etc. I don't think the point is to eat raw vegan "pie" etc...but to stick as close to nature as possible. My raw diet evolved to mostly fruit and nuts as I got tired of raw veggies.
So huge swing to Paleo now (didn't go direct, went back to eating cooked foods and then added fish and eggs) and then after a long period trying paleo.
On paleo, I've gained weight, but it's all muscle, am definitely stronger, have more energy and it's easier to eat and remain "normal" with friends.
I think both are pretty extreme, but it's the idea of eating naturally that is consistent. I didn't eat meat because my concern was treatment of animals, so now I'm just super strict on eating only free range, grass fed "happy" beef.
I was raw vegan for a year, then low fat raw vegan (fruitarian 811 style) for a year, then raw ovo/lacto six months, then raw paleo with red meat and without eggs/dairy for 3 months, and fat heavy paleo since then. There is nothing in raw veganism, in my experience. Yes, you're switching to unprocessed whole foods, great. And you're cutting out grains, sometimes nuts, and CAFO animal products. That's all awesome. Unfortunately it's simply not sustainable. Like Queen mentioned, it's a starvation diet, which is why most of the popular and slightly more sustainable appearing methods of raw vegan require a calorie uptake upwards of 2500 for a non-active female (so, baseline). Except for those wacky guys that live on 1000kcal a day of avocados, nuts, and greens.
Paleo is, essentially, raw veganism without the shortcomings. It has all of the good: whole foods, focus on organic, removing gluten and most vegetable oils, introducing coconut oil as a health food; and non of the bad: lack of protein, lack of animal fat, focus on either sugar or omega 6 dominant fat, agave nectar, and teaching people to see anything cooked above 118 degrees as, literally, poisonous.
Admittedly though, I still use recipes from the Pure Food and Wine books. Serious noms. Good for cheats because they're gluten free. And I still make courgette pasta, only now I don't have to eat it cold.
I was a raw vegan for about 6 months and a raw "paleo" for about 6 months. The unprocessed aesthetically beautiful raw vegan food really appealed to me. The Pure Food & Wine cookbook and Charlie Trotter's Raw were influences. I did pretty well at first, probably because most raw diets are gluten-free, but when winter came around it was pretty rough. I had circulation problems, fainting, and just absurd stomach aches. I started blending most of my food to help keep the bloating down, but I was still messed up. Maybe I just never adjusted to the massive amounts of fiber? I did tons of "superfoods" and green smoothies.
On paleo I feel more energetic, sensual, and my stomach doesn't get bloated all the time.
I found both diets have similarities. A lot of Raw Vegan dishes can be considered Paleo, since they were gluten-free, grain-free, and dairy-free, and they both use whole ingredients with minimal processing. However some Raw Vegan dishes still use legumes, and grains like buckwheat, and a lot of fruits and TONS of nuts. Almost every Raw Vegan dessert I came across whether it be pies or tarts etc, had a nut & coconut-based crust. I did a month of Raw Vegan and I found I was very bloated at the beginning, but after a few weeks I adjusted, and my skin looked the best it had in years! Overall, for me, I think I prefer the Paleo diet because socially, it's a bit easier to maintain and the there isn't so much prep-work involved. Raw Vegan dishes are very rich and lots of them have so many ingredients, which requires a lot of prep-work.
When I made the transition from lacto/ovo vegetarian to a mostly raw, mostly vegan diet, I felt more energy and zing for life. The bloating, gas, and constipation went away. I could hike up above timberline with so much more vigor and speed. I got inspired to start swimming with the local masters program. I felt very happy and light. But then the cravings for red meat came in, during the winter. I gave into the cravings once a month and felt great for a while, for about a year and a half. But then the raw glow and energy was not sustained. I felt a bit depressed and needy while on a raw vegan diet through the winter, and these symptoms would suddenly vanish within twelve hours after eating bison. On the third winter being mostly raw, mostly vegan, I was just tired and hungry. One of my teeth developed an infected root which would periodically throb and then drain. I starting eating more gluten-free grains, beans, and potatoes. I got more tired, the bloating/gas/constipation crept back, and then got diagnosed with low thyroid and adrenal fatigue. At first I thought it was due to emotional trauma since my father had died last year. I am sure that contributed just as much as did eating millet and beans.
When I made the switch to paleo, I simply replaced the grains and beans, nuts and seeds (nuts now give me a tummy ache with bloating), with more meat, eggs, and animal fat, more coconut oil. My digestion immediately got better. My blood sugar stabilized and I didn't feel starving and ravenous most of the time. The transition was a relief, actually. Easy. However, I don't yet feel the same "high" that I did while on the initial phase of eating high raw vegan foods. It has been a month of eating paleo. I have been having worse bad breath (probably due to infection in the tooth's root that won't go away without it being pulled--it is beyond a root canal at this point, yet there is no pain! I am going to try healing it with the paleo diet, including organ meats) and different body odor.
I have a good raw vegan community--however some of them (the ones who are ethical/moral vegans) are rather appalled by my change to paleo. It is amazing how many of the "raw vegans" eat raw cheese and eggs and seafood. I also have friends who eat paleo. I was not mainstream SAD before paleo, so switching to paleo is not that big of a deal. When I went raw vegan, I maintained the same friendships as before because our friendships were not based on food. I could wow them with the raw desserts anyways. My family and friends are used to me doing something "different." I am still a "brown bagger" and taking my own food with me wherever I go. So socially, I am doing ok. I still use the Vitamix to make smoothies (which now contain liver:), the Cuisinart, and now in addition to using the Excalibur dehydrator for nut/seed crackers and dried veggies, I can make jerky and pemmican. My veggie spiralizer still churns out the awesome zucchini noodles. I use my stove, oven, and crockpot more. I still love to play with food and its preparation. I still make kombucha, sauerkraut, and water kefir.
Now the thing for me to decide is the proportion of raw paleo to cooked paleo that works for me.
I'm a Physician and I have had lots of raw vegan patients. They usually do very very well for about a year and then I start seeing some loss of muscle, signs of mild nutrient deficiencies and often some emotional imbalance. Usually they are vegan for health and moral reasons. If it is for moral reasons, I don't try to convince them to eat flesh but do try to get them to eat eggs or a little raw grass fed dairy and they do much better. I know dairy isn't paleo but most people do well with raw goat milk. Dairy was not readily available during paolithic times but I assure you that hunters did make use of it if a prey happened to be lactating just like predator animals do. The milk is actually the first thing a predator will go for in a lactating prey. So the question is, just becasue something isn't availble, does that mean it isn't healthy? I don't think so.
I do well doing raw vegan for short periods, like a week or two, especailly if I go somewhere like The Ann Wigmore Institute. But beyone a week or two, I start to feel terrible. With me and most of my patients, it is the fat that seems to have the biggest effect. I eat largely paleo, raw and cooked with small amounts of non pakeo foods like raw milk or occasional freshly home ground sprouted sour dough bread. The one area that I feel like Paleo eaters and authors have wrong is that the peleo diet was never low fat, at least not if fat was available. Two modern groups that are almost identical to paleo are the Austrailian Aborignes and African Bushmen. It's true that wild animal muscle meat is leaner than commercial grain fed meat but natives avoid overly lean meat. They take the fat from around the organs which is always abundant and add it to overly lean cuts of meat. I have read that Peleo hunters probably did that too. I feel absolutely horrible on a low fat diet. Even if I am eating raw vegan, I need plenty of coconuts, nuts and seeds.
If you are looking to lose weight then - as it says in "Catching Fire" - raw is best because raw is much harder for our bodies to digest - our guts are too short basically. Eating nothing but raw vegan food would effectively be a starvation diet over any length of time. So nothing wrong with raw food in combination with Paleo; some things are more palatable raw and if you are trying to lose weight then eat salad with your steak rather than, say, cooked spinach.
Hi. I'm a female, 30 y.o. I've also tried a raw vegan diet for a while (about a year). The benefits of that diet were: better digestion, the best skin I've ever had, my period was shorter, lighter, and with no pain, I had lots of energy during the day, no headaches (and migranes), my hayfever is gone forever, and the best of all - I've managed to heal my ulcerative colitis (the "incurable" disease of intestines). However, I felt 'fermentation' in my intestines most of the time because of all those fruits and veggies, and I also gone first really skinny and then I put on a bit of fat around my midsection. I did the Paleo Diet in the past (although not strictly), but my muscles grew like on steroids (I like lifting weights in gym). I was leaner and had lots of energy too. I'm gonna give the best shot to the Paleo Diet from the 1st of June (so far, I'm doing it half the time) for a month, so I could compare the rest of the benefits with the raw vegan diet.