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Going on 3 months paleo - 90-95% strict. Feel great - I have lost almost 30 lbs , hubby almost 20 lbs.

Hubby's sex drive seems lower on paleo then it did on previous SAD diet. We also stopped drinking Jan 1st. He says before on SAD his mind was foggy. Now he says his mind is so much clearer and open that he thinks about sex less,....kinda like John Travolta in the movie Phenomenon, his mind always working on other problems and work matters. He also has always felt that drinking alcohol increased his sex drive - which is opposite of what I thought was generally true for most people? No bedroom problems once I talk him into getting there ;-)

I am hoping this is more a weather/seasonal thing than it is a paleo issue. And once we get to warmer weather and consistently sunny skies that this issue will disappear. He does workout a couple times a week with some heavy lifting. We both feel SO much better health wise, and emotionally we are closer and happier than ever. I sure think about it a good bit and would like to see that return for him lol

Has anyone else experienced a drop in testosterone after starting Paleo?

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calorie levels? how much fat are you getting? are you eating offal? – Bread-Eating Beelzebub Mar 30 2011 at 19:32
what is he eating? There alot of foods that are paleo and also have been shown to boost testosterone and zinc very well, which are crucial to the male libido. – Futureboy Mar 30 2011 at 19:32
google variations around "diet sex drive", it will be pretty much paleo... p.s. ginger / cacao / oysters / garlic ... something says to me you are not doing this right. – oliverh Mar 30 2011 at 19:58
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I've been "going Paleo" for just shy of three months now and I can personally attest to EXACTLY the same thing that your husband is going through. The "phenomenon" analogy is actually RIGHT ON! I've been a personal trainer since 2004 and got my 4 yr degree in Exercise & Sport Scient/Fitness & Wellness, so it's not like I was eating "bad" before. Oatmeal, super whole-grain crackers, Smart Balance peanut butter, and beans definitely featured heavily though. Since cutting them out, my mind has been on overdrive and sex, unfortunately, hasn't been the focus it once was. – FED at LiveCaveman.com Mar 31 2011 at 3:48
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What me, and especially my wife, has found helpful is to really set the mood (turn off TV, computer, etc.) and to prioritize our intimate time. – FED at LiveCaveman.com Mar 31 2011 at 3:50
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The amount of sex I'm having has definitely decreased. (overweight 45yo male). It's not a performance issue. If I get bored I can visit some salacious web sites and I can get very aroused.

But my wife of 16 sixteen years has not seen much action lately.

Here's my theory on why. For me, sex was like an addiction. It was the drug, the rush of the orgasm, that helped me feel so much better compared to how I usually felt, which was poorly.

Since being paleo (or should I say avoiding the NADs), I feel absolutely fantastic. And all the things I used to rely on to feel good (alcohol, pot, caffeine etc. etc.) are no longer doing it for me. I just feel good all the time now.

So I think I've lost interest in sex because I no longer need the comfort and distraction it gave me.

ADDED: and if my theory is right, it might help explain why agricultural societies tend towards overpopulation.

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Interesting addendum. – Anonymous Coward Jun 10 2011 at 1:45
This makes sense from my experience too. If you ever used sexual activity compulsively to feel better about life (or being overweight, unfit etc) then when you get your life together the compulsion disappears and it takes time for a healthy non-compulsive, non-displacement sex drive to re-emerge.... – Jon Jun 14 2011 at 16:31
your wife is 16? – Kasra Nov 20 2011 at 0:39
she's been my wife for sixteen years. – Wozza Nov 22 2011 at 4:17
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It might be reduced carbohydrate. Carbs may well be a signal for fertility via signalling that you're 'feasted' whereas low carb mimics fasting/calorie restriction. Fewer carbohydrates also reduce testosterone as can higher protein. You won't need much carbohydrate or much limitation on protein (just adequate protein as always) to produce the desired effects.

You're almost certainly better nourished on paleo, so I wouldn't worry about micronutrients. I can't imagine a SAD diet that is lower in absorbable zinc than a standard paleo diet. Getting sufficient calories is certainly a plausible explanation, though I'd expect that he'd notice some other effects if he were inadvertently calorie restricted (I became cold, tired and food-conscious, despite spontaneously not eating enough, but still didn't realise what was the cause until afterwards).

Maybe if he used to associate alcohol/going out with sex, the absence of that trigger means that he doesn't feel moved to think about sex, even though he's perfectly keen once it is initiated?

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i do wonder if he gets enough calories in a day. He often skips breakfast like I do and grabs an egg and a piece of meat when he can at work for lunch. Very low carb. Most days he is on and off his feet dozens of times managing a conference center. We almost always have a good dinner of a nice salad, meat, and veg. Alcohol was never about going out for us, And it was more the day AFTER drinking that he was extra interested. the bigger the hangover the more ready to go strangely enough. Should one take a zinc supplement as well as try to incorporate more foods higher in zinc? – jjs Mar 30 2011 at 20:40
I have noticed in myself the day-after hangover behavior you describe above. Weird. I wonder what causes that? – a hut full of spears Mar 30 2011 at 21:25
What kind of alcohol? – Egk Mar 31 2011 at 0:26
@David: re: your thoughts on micronutrients. What did you think of Paul Jaminet's blog posts that he linked to in his answer on the "Time to stop paleohacking" thread? You buy his idea or not? Not necessarily even the specific point about micronutrient deficiency and LDL but the general idea about the importance of micronutrients on paleo. paleohacks.com/questions/30591/… Curious because judging by your comment you're a fan of PJ. (I am too; I'm the one who voted up your comment.) – Paul Mar 31 2011 at 7:36
@jjs, ok, but it could equally be a case of associations in that case. Nothing wrong with zinc supplementation, I've done so before, but just a pound of ground beef gives you 127% of the RDA and he may well eat more meat. @Paul I think his points there are entirely germane. I really doubt that all the paleo high-cho cases mentioned are inadequately nourished or that that's the main explanation of high cho or that paleo lc-ers are more malnourished than the SAD, but it seems really likely that micronutrition would form part of the picture of something so funadmental as lipid metabolism... – David Moss Mar 31 2011 at 9:00
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I think the book "Lights Out: Sleep, Sugar, and Survival," By T. S. Wiley, Bent PH D Formby, might be of interest in a paleo eating/lifestyle sort of way.

"The hormones melatonin and prolactin are major players in your mind-body-planet connections. They communicate with your immune system and metabolic energy system about light and dark cycles. Insulin and prolactin orchestrate the brain chemistry governing serotin and dopamine in your brian, to control behavior and mood. Serotonin and dopamine control your behavior toward food and sex."

So, it might be "natural" to feel this way in a paleo sort of way with an increase in summer. Something to think about for sure.

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I'm thinking that it could be something along the same lines. The theory in Light Out goes on to explain how higher carbohydrate intakes signaled that it was summer, the famine of winter was over, and that food was plentiful; all of this leads to an increase in sex hormones and greater drive for reproduction. Theoretically, a low-carbohydrate diet signals that it is winter and that it is not a good time to reproduce.. – Tyler S Mar 31 2011 at 8:17
Serotonin production is directly proportional to carb intakes. Typtophan is the biggie and tyrosine for dopamine sets reward behavior in the orbital frontal cortex – The Quilt Mar 31 2011 at 12:43
If the Lights Out theory were correct then you would expect people on v low carb diets like Paleo to have consistently lower sex drives... – Jon Jun 14 2011 at 16:33
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I am a woman, but wanted to add that I had almost no libido while eating VLC. One of many ways it did not agree with me.

Starch solved that problem.

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I've heard the same from many men. Same for me, too. – ben61820 Jun 10 2011 at 0:41
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yum carbs...+1. VLC struggle is quite an embarassing situation for paleo proponents to admit – DH Nov 8 2011 at 8:48
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Quick answer:

http://www.onlinedater.org/articles/boost-your-libido-21-foods-to-increase-your-sex-drive-naturally/

http://www.libido-increasing-food.com/

Skip the beans and the soy, though, and limit your watermelon intake if you're watching your carbs/sugar.

Also berries are a very good source of zinc, but again, if you're watching your sugar/carbs limit those too.

I've also read that there is anecdotal evidence that the high levels of androsterone in celery can raise sex-pheremone secretion in men:

http://www.asylum.com/2010/05/12/celery-sex-pheremones-androstenone-more-attractive-to-women/

although, that may have been disproved, as some articles state that is simply because someone mixed up androsterone, which is present in celery, and ANDROSTENONE which is a metabolic by-product of testosterone. Nonetheless, I enjoy celery and eat it just about every day. Not sure if it makes my girlfriend more desirous of me, as I'm not sure that would be possible! ;)

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This may sound odd, and is probably unrelated, but I've often thought the scent of some men was reminiscent of celery. – Ambimorph Mar 31 2011 at 0:39
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It's possible that the previous diet was higher in copper, zinc or selenium, which are all necessary for testosterone production. Same goes for vitamin A, though that would likely only change if he stopped taking a multivitamin or something.

Basically, you can address all potential nutrient deficiencies simply by eating a half-pound of liver every week. You can boost zinc further with oysters.

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Travis, where do you get your lamb liver? Do you get it at a local place or online? Is it really grass fed or just assumed because it's lamb? – Jack Kronk Mar 30 2011 at 19:55
It's exclusively grass-fed and from OR, but not completely local. I'm fortunate in that I can just walk into a local health food chain and get it, but it'd be tough elsewhere. – Travis Culp Mar 30 2011 at 20:44
I've been searching for good oysters and a lamb liver source, with no real luck either... – Todd Mar 30 2011 at 21:34
I just found some good cheap lamb's liver at a local ethnic market, advertised as natural (meaningless) but not grass fed. I'm assuming its not that big a deal when it comes to the organ of a young animal? Or does it? – JoeBranca at paleoplusone.com Mar 30 2011 at 22:48
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good point. but as far as oysters, I'm Sicilian, so I want 'em fresh and fighting back – JoeBranca at paleoplusone.com Mar 31 2011 at 3:35
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If lasting 3 minutes and being left unsatisfied and thus more desperate to reach some level of satisfaction despite inflamed joints, zero stamina, excessive sweating and less ability to achieve "fulfillment" of my spouse due to "fatblocking" is your idea of "better" than I guess it was better for me when I was on the SAD as well.

What Wozza is saying in reference to the lower quality of life leading to more addictive behaviours seems pretty damn spot on to me as well.

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As body plummets SHBG increases. This binds up more of his free testosterone and that is the bioactive part. A clue to this is is getting a free and total testosterone level drawn with a DHT and E2 done. I bet he had a low testosterone to begin with

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We have always had a slight difference in drives. When we married I was 23 and he was 38 - now I am 36 and he is 51. Where I have always had a higher drive I feel like just in the last year I am really coming into my own and knowing what works best and feeling more self confident about it. Of course losing 30 on paleo has only increased that for me. Does a vasectomy decrease testosterone? initially or over time? He did that 5 yrs ago. – jjs Mar 31 2011 at 13:30
No it does not.....but at 51 I bet he is starting to have low T because he is at the age it begins. We are seeing it earlier and earlier now because of processed foods – The Quilt Mar 31 2011 at 17:45
"As body plummets SHBG increases". This does not make sense. Assuming you meant body fat, the decrease should be accompanied by a reduction in estradiol, which should actually decrease SHBG, not increase it. That would generally tend toward reduced total testosterone as the body attempts to maintain the same free T via homeostasis. – TheOriginalKaz Apr 2 2011 at 12:00
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http://paleohacks.com/questions/17035/jack-up-your-testosterone/19016#19016

Check that thread. I list the foods he needs to focus on, and why.

also google phytoestrogens and make sure hes not munching on a bunch of estrogenic foods.

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Give him extra Zinc and his balls will swell up like balloons and you'll get as much sex as you can handle.

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It seems to me that my husband's sex drive has decreased a bit too (his performance is much better when it happens, though). The thing is, I'm not sure if it's really his sex drive that's decreased or mine that's skyrocketed! But some males here are attesting to the same thing, so maybe I'm not imagining things.

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My spouse T levels normalized after strict gluten free. Paleo alone did not do it. Strict GF, even with VLC, worked.

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I don't agree with this – The Quilt Mar 31 2011 at 12:37
Why don't you agree with this? This person is just giving his or her report of something that happened to him or her. Can you give us a fuller comment? – Paul Apr 2 2011 at 17:40
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Similar anecdotes from celiac.com celiac.com/gluten-free/topic/… celiac.com/gluten-free/topic/… – egk Apr 4 2011 at 19:11
"Paleo alone" is already strict gluten-free... I don't know how "Paleo alone did not do it" if your spouse was still getting gluten on the paleo diet. – Joshua Jun 10 2011 at 0:47
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No, removing the bun and eating the burger is gluten free but it is not strictly gluten free. Avoiding minuscule amounts of gluten can make a big difference for some people with gluten sensitivity, and all celiacs. Google cross contamination and gluten for more info or check posts at celiac.com – Egk Jun 10 2011 at 2:16
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If I understood the nature of disagreement, I might learn something.

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make dinner... raw oysters for an appetizer followed by some nice steak tartare (i think steak tartare might be my answer for everything)... you should see an almost immediate increase in his, eh, appetite. seriously.

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