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-Dairy, meat and fruit are the core of his diet.

-He believes in consuming lots of gelatin and limiting muscle meats.

-States protein must be balanced with sugar, according to him protein alone lowers blood sugar so it must be eaten with fruit.

-He believes PUFA's are not essential, and most of our fat should be saturated from cream, butter, tallow and coconut oil.

-He believes vegetables are poisonous.

-Believes in the high consumption of fruit and fruit juices and I think he favors fructose over starches.

What is your opinion on his ideas, particularly his stance on fruit? Are they sound and based on science or are they pure speculation? His ideas do seem a bit out there, but I have read of many people having success on a diet similar to one that Ray Peat recommends?

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Is there a link? – Allie Apr 13 2011 at 23:03
health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AV-Skeptics/message/… this link describes his diet. and this is his blog raypeat.com – ROB Apr 13 2011 at 23:08

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He's a natural person to become popular considering the promotion of high-protein diets and misinterpretation of research on fructose. The truth is that there is lots of evidence high protein diets can be harmful and no evidence that fruit is harmful (purified fructose does not equal fruit). The truth is you don't need much PUFA, though I'm not sure PUFA from natural sources will be proven harmful. People are flocking to Peat because they have bad experiences with high-protein diets. Unfortunately, he's just as much of a charlatan as the rest. His evidence that vegetables are poisonous is complete misreading of the studies he cites.

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I agree with Melissa......... – The Quilt Apr 13 2011 at 22:18
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But fruit should be seasonally eaten.....not year round and should be limited when trying to get lean – The Quilt Apr 13 2011 at 22:19
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...and that's why its important to never religiously follow a dietary guru without first analyzing his/her work and making your own judgement. – ROB Apr 13 2011 at 23:11
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Why do you think he is a charlatan? He prints a newsletter and offers consultations at $75 an hour. Very often if you email him, he will answer your questions for free. We can agree and disagree with certain of his ideas, but that doesn't make him a charlatan. I wonder why you use such strong language. – Thomas Seay Apr 13 2011 at 23:49
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I feel he intentionally misrepresents scientific research. – Bread-Eating Beelzebub Apr 14 2011 at 0:24
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I think Peat is mostly kind of a wackjob. I sites really old editions of encyclopedia brittanica and funny little websites as citations, so he kind of misleads as to the quality of information backing claims.

That said, many of his articles are at least funny to read, so I'd go through them at least once. Just not as a serious "wow I should eat a quart of ice cream everyday" advice source.

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The ice cream bit along with his support of fruit juices is what's making me take a critical look at his ideas. – ROB Apr 14 2011 at 2:53
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I spoke with him on the phone a couple of times (Ray Peat) and I asked him point blank about sugar. He thinks it is a very clean, good substance. He advocated ice-cream as a good source of calcium and good sugars. I never understood exactly his theory of glycination. He believes that you need to keep your blood sugar up. He is especially fond of orange juice. I bloated up to 230 pounds, which was ok at the time since I was bulking for my weightlifting, but would not be a good idea in general.

He advocates coffee is a way of boosting your metabolism. I tried this and, honestly, for the first time in my life I had high blood pressure. I probably am extremely sensitive to caffeine, though to be honest.

I think he has some good ideas, but I find him quirky. I don't have the background in physiology to get one-on-one with him. He's a smart guy. However, I was not too pleased with the results. That's what I have to go on.

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Interesting, I don't mind putting on weight, but I am still not to convinced with his stance on sugar. – ROB Apr 13 2011 at 23:13
Peat advocates high consumption of milk, like 2 quarts a day, but if it isn't low-fat, you might gain weight. – Anon Aug 19 at 2:41
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I like the 'ol bastard. But mostly as a check against what others say.

He cites evidence, but not comprehensively. In other words, he seems to only approach one side of the story sometimes. His article on vegetables did not have a real conclusion-- we breed vegetables for food that are safe for us to eat, for the most part. This is not addressed by him.

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>we breed vegetables for food that are safe for us to eat, for the most part Are you sure? I have no facts but I imagine the trend would be more towards breeding for greater toxicity rather than less, in order to increase yields. – free3337 Jul 21 2011 at 3:51
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Fructose is a hepatotoxin, like alcohol. It has no effect on blood sugar or the insulin response. It is fine in fruit, as the fiber of the fruit that comes along with it keeps it in check and makes it more difficult to eat large amounts. Fruit juice is worse than regular Coke.

Vegetables give us fiber and minerals without fructose.

This guy sounds wacky.

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He's not wacky. Go read his articles and you will see that he is very serious and bases his theories on studies, etc. I don't agree with him, but he's not wacky. – Thomas Seay Apr 13 2011 at 23:32
Fiber does not protect the liver from fructose... – mari Apr 14 2011 at 0:24
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Fructose is a dose dependent hepatoxin not just a straight up toxin. – No more. Apr 14 2011 at 1:10
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Yes, the fiber to fructose ratio in fruit makes it difficult to achieve such a dose. Drinking it in juice makes it rather easy to achieve the necessary dose. – Alfredo Apr 14 2011 at 2:04
I thought it was the vitamin C in fruit that (at least partially) protects against fructose damage... – Dave S. Apr 14 2011 at 12:17
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Someone just post a list of what he says to do so I can do the opposite.

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On that note it seems like the toxins found in plants, a reason for why Ray Peat avoids vegetables, is to the contrary mentioned as a good thing in this fascinating article on antioxidants (it was mentioned on Paleohacks on the subject of supplement abuse):

http://gettingstronger.org/2011/03/the-case-against-antioxidants/

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there is logic behind the paleo diet principal, what is his logic? why vegetables no, but fruit yes?
sure people might get results following his advice, people get "results" eating 50 bananas a day. Most of it seems good though, try it if you want..

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All vegetables have toxins. That much is true. Fruit (because of the seeds) "want" to be consumed, so don't have the toxins that vegetables have. Of course, now we know about hormesis and polyphenols and so I think that pretty much does away with the "toxic" vegetable issue. – Thomas Seay Apr 13 2011 at 23:06
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Just a note - 50 Bananas-a-day qualifies as Paleo if not standard-paleo. – Just Mike Jan 30 2012 at 22:18
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Peat is not totally anti veggie.. He promotes intake of carrots before starchy meals and promotes some root/tuber veggies..

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So he advocates carrots, roots and tubers. Basically no vegetables... – Bruno Jan 31 2012 at 10:15
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3 questions:

(1) Is he advocating fruit juice as in commercial fruit juice or home-made, hand-squeezed fuit juice devoid of HFCS?

(2) Is he advocating sugar as in granulated white sugar or sugar that's naturally in fruit and vegetables (endogenous sugar)?

(3) How old is Mr. Peat? Judging by his voice, he is quite up there. If he is, he could cite himself as the best example of his own diet for promoting longevity.

I do agree with his general opinion that PUFA is harmful, even Omega 3 FAs. But his other opinions are hard to square with current research.

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1. Peat is an advocate of juice from fruits, not HFCS. 2. For Peat, it's preferable to obtain sugar from fruits, but table sugar is OK. 3. I think he is 75. – Anon Aug 19 at 2:44
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Other than high blood sugar possibly causing myopia (he wears glasses), could work for some people.

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I've been listening to one of the followers of Ray Peat's diet... and I must agree that his ideas just don't "ring true." Based on common sense, leading edge nutrition doctors, and intuition and gut instinct they don't make sense. I tried listening to them and tried thinking outside of the box but I couldn't believe it.

I do believe some vegetables are hard to digest (Kale) and require juicing, etc. and I do believe pasture-organic dairy is good when raw an un-altered but to live on only protein and dairy and carrots just doesn't do it for me. It goes against every grain of knowledge.

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Your synopsis of Peat is so cryptic and oversimplified any response is difficult. The term 'peleohacks' seems geared to excite readers to criticize first and think later, and calling Peat a charlatan only wastes intelligent readers time, whether it provides a cathartic outlet for others or not. I'll take on one critical arena -

Peat's point about vegetables if vital and helpful. Many families today are so brainwashed by popular and chaotic claims for foods in the mass media that they forget ordinary caution and common sense. I've seen families here in the bay area of California who think they are advanced and enlightened, while their children are so thin it's frightening. And vegetables are always, not sometimes but always, high up on their list of things to eat all the time, morning noon and night. Under those circumstance you can the signs of poisoning related to the natural feature of vegetables to defend themselves with bio toxins. Their children are not just thin, but gaunt, also tired, listless, poorly coordinated, and withdrawn. These are more than signs of starvation - which is probably a factor in their plight - these are signs of downright poisoning, and it doesn't take long to find out what the culprit it - mountains of root and other vegetables that are often eaten uncooked, and a marked absence of milk, meat, other proteins and fats. Humans need fats in moderate, not small amounts, and a lack of fats encourages too rapid and incomplete digestion that is a large factor in making vegetables a problem.

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I am sorry, next time I will be sure to put every little tiny detail about Peats diet. – ROB May 12 at 22:43
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The healthiest, most sustainable and most economical diet in the world is a vegan diet.

Ray Peat is a charlatan. He avoids rigorous peer review and seems to have recruited a team of white, upper middle-class women (with too much time on their hands and imaginary intolerances) to endlessly recite his groundless 'research' [SIC]. Most of which seem to be offering paid-for consultancy services - shock, horror.

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