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All this recent hub-bub about low fat raw vegan and fruitarinism got me thinking ... what if you mashed paleo together with fruitarianism? What I mean is can you cycle the two ways of eating for max benefit? For example. meat day, fruit day, meat day, fruit day. Or even fruit day, fruit day, meat day, and so on. Or the other way around, meat day, meat day, fruit day and so on.

On meat days, you're paleo - high fat, low to moderate protein, low carbs (generally). On fruit days, you're a fruitarian - low fat, low protein, high carbs, monoeat as much fruit as you like but only fruit. It would be like carb cycling.

My thoughts are: there wouldn't be vitamin deficiency seen in vegan diets or the low fiber/constipation seen in paleo/meat-and-fat-rich diets.

And for those who fear the fruit or rather, fructose: http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/

Is this a legitimate way to "hack paleo"?

Edit: I understand those are two very different ideologies. I'm talking only in terms of health and not even like, "optimal health", "this is the pure way" kind of thing. I'm talking, benefiting health by improving and/or eliminating the nuisances of a paleo styled diet.

Edit2: FYI, I'm happy with my meat-based, fat-laden paleo diet. But I was reading about the Nikoley vs DurianRider debate a few days ago and got to thinking, (besides that DurianRider is a little off the deep end) that there must be some benefit with a predominantly carb heavy, fruit based diet, even if it were only for endurance training reasons. I also thought, why can't everyone just get along? =D I was also reading about the fruitarian diet on 30bad and stumbled on CastleGrok's blog and it occurred to me that you could do a mash of the two and get the best of both worlds. It was just a thought and if I knew the answer to this question, I wouldn't be posting it on paleohacks; I'd be writing my own blog and coining new worlds like Fruitarianeo or Pruitareo... Hmmmmm, ideas are brewing.

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Just because Lustig thinks fruit is fine doesn't make it so. Ask a diabetic or anyone with a fructose/n6/alcohol damaged fatty liver. I don't see how a load of fruit would help them. Or anyone else with brain issues that are helped with ketones (ADHD, epileptics, etc.) Frankly, anyone struggling to lose weight would probably be better off with little to no fruit. Maybe active/endurance athletes can get away with it, but until I see a biopsy of DurianRider's liver, I'm not buying it! – Dave S. Apr 15 2011 at 17:10
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I eat a lot of fruits in the morning and meat+veggies for lunch and dinner. Its more doable than all fruit day and vlc day. Im still experimenting with it. And everyone's situation is different. – paleoguy11 Mar 10 2012 at 20:33

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"What I mean is can you cycle the two ways of eating for max benefit?"

Hmmm...that last part makes the question not quite valid. You can mash paleo with the Zone, or mash paleo with Ornish. In fact, you could alternate days of paleo with any other diet. But I don't see any real benefit of so many all-fruit days. What exactly does that provide?

If you really want fiber, you can get it through vegetables and tubers. If you want sweet taste, eat a piece or two of fruit. If you want to carb cycle, you can still carb cycle. In fact, you can do anything with paleo! Come with me...and you'll be...in a world of pure imagination...

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"Hold your breath...make a wish...count to three." – Futureboy Apr 15 2011 at 4:24
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...except there is no "best of both worlds". you can eat fruit on paleo. but there's no good reason to eat full days of fruit. or for that matter, full days of tubers, or full days of meat. – Kamal Apr 15 2011 at 5:31
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Kamal nailed it. You can do anything with Paleo. If your worried about too much meat cut down or take days off. If you need more fiber or are concerned with vitamin C than eat more berries, tubers and vegetable. Its all Paleo ( and its all good) – Mark V Apr 15 2011 at 11:44
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What do you get when you guzzle down sweets? Eating as much as an elephant eats? – Kamal Apr 15 2011 at 15:47
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I love that a lyric borrowed from a candy manufacturer is used to wrap an answer on paleo eating. – familygrokumentarian Apr 15 2011 at 16:02
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Sure there are some benefits to eating all fruit -- if what you were eating before was the SAD (in DurianRider's case, the Standard Australian Diet). If you eat all fruit you won't be eating any vegetable oil (Neolithic Agent of Disease #1) or any gluten (NAD #2). And if you happen to be an endurance athlete you'll be depleting your glycogen all the time and so the excess fructose (NAD #3) won't do as much damage.

But all of those benefits from eating all fruit are also benefits of eating paleo. (Again, taking into account the endurance-athlete technicality; on paleo you wouldn't have all the fructose in the first place.) That paleo will get you the same benefits is not surprising, since avoiding the three NADs is practically a definition of paleo. So you can think of an all-fruit diet as an odd subset of paleo: a sickly subset.

For the benefits of going a day without protein see Kamal and Nico: you can do protein restriction without eating just fruit. You could eat potatoes soaked in butter.

For the benefits of quicker digestion: I would never agree in the first place that constipation is a given "nuisance" of eating paleo. And even if you are constipated, then you could just eat some potatoes to restore the mucus in your digestive tract -- no need for fiber. (On the glucose idea (not necessarily the fiber idea) read Paul Jaminet at the Perfect Health Diet.)

And I've left aside the problems with vitamins and other longer-term issues that come from avoiding animal products, since you were asking about alternating days.

As for quirky, intangible benefits? I'm with Nico on this one: give it a go. You never know what will happen. But keep in mind that if you experience some positive effects there are plenty of potential confounding variables; e.g., as I said, you might just be experiencing the benefits of protein reduction, which you could have gotten from eating potatoes and butter -- and maybe eating potatoes and butter for a day would be even more beneficial than eating fruit for a day.

Well I suppose there's one other possible benefit. You might find the experience so distasteful you'll return to paleo with renewed appreciation. Absence makes the heart fonder?

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+1 for suggesting a protein-restriction day of nothing but potatoes and butter... that sounds SO good! – Kimmie Apr 15 2011 at 13:51
Yeah, it would be like the guy who ate all potatoes, but with one key ingredient added. (Wait actually I think that guy ate more than just potatoes. Whatever.) – Paul Apr 15 2011 at 18:29
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I have some mostly fruit days when I'm fasting. Even Lustig says fruit is OK and there has never been a study showing that fruit is bad for humans. I've not gained weight and my triglycerides are great.

I've never seen any evidence that fruit is an anti-starvation fallback food for hunter-gatherers. In fact, many hunter-gatherers go out of their way to obtain fruit. That said, many such cultures have an idea that eating too much fruit will make you "hot." It's funny because Durianrider has said that the native Thai people he meets are horrified that he eats so much durian because its "too hot." Some fruits are "cold" though and can balance the intake of "hot" fruit. It would be interesting to look into whether there is some nutritional basis behind these beliefs. Meat is a "hot" food too though.

The fact that we need vitamin C and the enormous amount of trouble native peoples like the Sami, Yakut, and Inuit go to to procure berries is so indication that they might be important. I remember when I lived in the far north, berry season was very important and everyone went out to get some. Some berries were sour, but others were very sweet. There were enough in many places to get buckets and buckets of them.

Low-carb is a great diet for people with damaged metabolisms, but its prevalence in the paleo community has tainted paleo with all kinds of "just so" stories about carbs being bad. It has led to the idea that hunter-gatherers were low-carb, which is just not true at all.

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Maybe the hot could be referring to the acid balance? Maybe hot foods are acidic, and cold foods alkaline? – Carly Apr 15 2011 at 17:04
Just as a side note, I'm Asian and I've never been able to figure out the "hotness" or "coolness" of a certain food. I just know it because it's repeated constantly by older generations. Fried foods, meat, limited fruits are "hot" but then say, "watermelon" is very cooling. Funny thing, so is the soda, Coke, which is very acidic. – Joyce L. Apr 15 2011 at 18:19
yeah, my Indonesian friends wash their durian down with "cold" Coke.... – Bread-Eating Beelzebub Apr 15 2011 at 18:58
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You posted a link to Alan, which I disagree with on many points he berry Picks to and left out important information on dangers. Yet he claims that the safe daily amount would be less than 50g a day. A number that's commonly accepted as what a maximally depleted liver is going to absorb...

Meaning even the contentious article you posted, disagrees with fruitarian nonsense.

There are no societies that live on fruit exclusively, and hunter gatherers from everything I've read go for meat first.

Fruit is an anti starvation fallback and is not required for life.

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Saying all that I'm ok with under 50g a day for active healthy individuals with no metabolic issues. – Stephen-Aegis Apr 15 2011 at 12:12
Anonymous Downvote, I can't say im not surprised. – Stephen-Aegis Apr 15 2011 at 13:34
Rebalancing the vote... – Kamal Apr 15 2011 at 13:45
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Well, I fully agree with your post about requiring comments for downvotes. But I was thinking ... you could take these downvotes as a compliment, Stephen. You know: excellence is a clear target. – Paul Apr 15 2011 at 18:28
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My concern is besides devaluation of my time, is that people are clicking it, because, "they like fruit"... I like fruit to, doesnt change my opinion on what it does. – Stephen-Aegis Apr 15 2011 at 21:12
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I second Kamal. Eat starchy veggies and tubers, and some fruit, esp. berries.

I do have "low-protein" days where I eat mostly greens and starchy tubers like taro. I was moved to do this partially by what I've read, but also because, after three days of eating massive quantities of beef, I actually wanted a break. Of course, I always slather my veggies and tubers with butter/lard, or, like today, lamb fat.

As far as I can tell there is no reason to have a day where you'd eat all fruit. Until very recently, fruit was relatively rare and expensive, even in tropical areas, and no culture would have done this. These fruitarian types are eating massive amounts of imported tropical fruits.

I also know of no scientific basis for preferring a high-fruit diet. There's far more ancestral basis for occasional low-protein periods (not that that proves anything). Similarly, I've seen no basis for having low-fat periods. The research so far seems to suggest some benefit to protein fasting, however.

Of course, you can always give it a whirl and see what happens.

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the warrior diet accomplishes both in the same day. fruit allowed during daytime undereating/fasting, and heavier foods for the evening meal. this is supposed to activate the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems at the proper times. master cleanse lemonade is convenient during the day, though i use half the syrup.

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Thanks! I've never read the Warrior Diet, I'll have to give it a go. – Joyce L. Apr 15 2011 at 5:18
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You don't hear about the warrior diet much because it was a flop. Much like fruitarianism – Stephen-Aegis Apr 15 2011 at 11:52
The Warrior Diet is one of those that can be successfully "mashed" with Paleo eating. – Pete Apr 15 2011 at 14:21
no problem, joyce. hope something in the warrior diet works for you. btw i recently tried the warrior diet with the mc lemonade and fruit during undereating, but found that the sugar made me hungrier than nothing at all. fat fuel during undereating more closely mimics the fasted state, and def keeps my body temp higher. it's been convenient to pop open a pint of heavy cream and sip on it all day. i also pack ghee or coconut oil in little one ounce glass jars for backup. combining this with a big meal at night that includes fat, protein and starch has raised my metabolism. – bionicanna May 4 2011 at 16:23
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It depends what your goals are if you want to blast and do athletic activities eating fruit and tubers is definitely a smart option.

Robert lustig thinks fruit in any quantity is fine because of the fiber, email for yourself.

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